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by chaz wyman
Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:09 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: A Philosophy of Mind
Replies: 2591
Views: 379482

Re: Philosophy of Mind

If the most gifted minds if  liberated suddenly compelled  to stand up and    suffer the glare of knowledge will be able to see truth, not illusion Looks great, but not terribly coherent. A liberated mind cannot be said to be compelled to do anything, let alone 'stand up', else it would not be 'lib...
by chaz wyman
Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:59 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: A Philosophy of Mind
Replies: 2591
Views: 379482

Re: Philosophy of Mind

Socrates believed writers are guilty of making the gravest misstatements when they tell us that wicked men are happy, and that the good are miserable; or that injustice is profitable especially when undetected, and that justice is gain loss. Homer being but a man, attributing these feelings to Achi...
by chaz wyman
Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:56 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

There is no known square root of 2. I would not say quite that. I would agree that there is no exhaustively expressible square root of 2, either as a sequence of decimal digits nor as a fraction. However, if we accidently build a right triangle out of platinum wire half an angstrom thick, and the s...
by chaz wyman
Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:55 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

There is no known square root of 2. I would not say quite that. I would agree that there is no exhaustively expressible square root of 2, either as a sequence of decimal digits nor as a fraction. However, if we accidently build a right triangle out of platinum wire half an angstrom thick, and the s...
by chaz wyman
Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:22 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

Indeed, and proving something to be useful is an easier job than proving that it is right. This reflects for me why science is slowly replacing religion, not because it says anything about an absolute truth, but because it is so much more useful. Well said. And we ought to beware of people who seek...
by chaz wyman
Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:51 am
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

Perhaps we've missed a bit of nuance in this thread. The idea that you cannot prove a negative really only applies to the non-existence of something -- that is, for any supposed thing that might (conceivably) exist, it is impossible to prove that it does not or did not exist somewhere or sometime i...
by chaz wyman
Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:25 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

Aetixintro wrote:That is, this suspect has been proven to not be the offender, ie. to prove a negative! An alibi enters as a different description and to prove the negative for an alibi is a whole different process, but you know this, don't you?
I think you might like Adorno's Negative Dialectics.
by chaz wyman
Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:34 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

Sadly naive!!! No police investigators are interested in the negative. It is their duty to prove guilt. ALong the way they might eliminate suspect but this involves an alibi - which is a POSITIVE. When they get to court, there is a very good reason that the defence lawyers do NOT have to prove a ne...
by chaz wyman
Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:07 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

What degree of certainty sufficiently identifies negative phenomena? The degree of certainty that sufficiently identifies possible phenomena [i.e. phenomena that cannot be easily agreed upon, such as a higher being] could not be agreed upon. Perhaps because one view arises out of it's counter view....
by chaz wyman
Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:47 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Teen Shot Dead By Police Officer
Replies: 81
Views: 21476

Re: Teen Shot Dead By Police Officer

tbieter wrote:My evening news reports that the investigating county attorney has concluded that the incident is a justifiable homicide. Here is the video from the police car.
http://wcco.com/crime/duluth.bat.shooti ... 14644.html
I did not see anything that justified the killing.
by chaz wyman
Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:55 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

Sol wrote:What degree of certainty sufficiently identifies negative phenomena?
There are NO negative phenomena.
by chaz wyman
Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:46 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

I come to think of this crime-scene where the investigators prove that a certain person is not the killer, ie. police investigators prove this negative all the time . Besides, this thread is not about religion which is the reason that I've placed it here, under Philosophy of Science. I hope you can...
by chaz wyman
Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:40 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

EH, thanks for replying. But, I'm sorry, you've completed ignored my review of your analogies. I am not stating that because billions of people claim there is a God, therefore this proves there must be a God. I'm saying that that the scale of the God proposal is so large, that it bears no resemblan...
by chaz wyman
Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:51 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

It is precisely the same argument for so many things that almost everyone remains comfortably certain don't exist -- leprachauns, invisible pink unicorns, and the like. You keep making this argument over and over, even though it can be defeated in 4 seconds, and has been already repeatedly. It's li...
by chaz wyman
Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:19 am
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"
Replies: 122
Views: 20539

Re: "You Can’t Prove A Negative"

Is an atheist a non-believer or a non-knower? My understanding of an atheist is someone who knows god does not exist. I think most atheists would disagree and simply say (even insist) that their position is negative: that they have heard of god and don't accept the idea. This does not involve knowi...