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by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:24 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

Nearly everything we know obeys cause and effect, except there is some debate at the quantum world. Nearly everything is not the same as everything. Hence why logic is about "universal" laws. Devil is in the detail.s The fact that we can't measure accurately does not mean its non-deterministic IMO ...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:10 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

I am not saying absence of everything has every existed in totality; there has always been something in our universe (but maybe there are null universes out there somewhere). I just saying absence of everything could co-exist with something; IE our expanding universe. If you don't buy the argument ...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:54 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

I remain in disagreement. Naturally. You are free to remain wrong. Absence of everything is a logically consistent idea. No, it isn't. Logic was invented by humans. The assertion of logical predicates requires humans. Humans are made of particles. Absence of particles means absence of humans. Absen...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

It is not contradictory. Put another way: The presence or not of something in reality is indisputable. Therefore the not presence of everything is possible. non-existence exists is contradictory. Refer to Principia Mathematica, Cambridge, pages 116–117 I remain in disagreement. Absence of everythin...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

I stand by non-existence exists in reality. And what is your opinion regarding the law of non-contradiction? You could've opted for "Representations of non-existence exist in reality." but you chose the way of The Dumb. You fail to distinguish between the map and the territory... It is not contradi...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:20 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

The representation of non-existence exists in our minds. Non-existence occurs in reality. You have just committed The Eternal Philosophical error in reasoning! You have drawn a linguistic distinction without a practical difference between the words "occurs" and "exists" so as to avoid contradicting...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:08 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

Zero is in our minds so does not exist, OK. Lets go with that. it represents something that does exist; the absence of things. Yes. Zero represents non-existence. So the representation of non-existence exists in minds. But you just said that zero is in our minds and does not exist. So does the repr...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:55 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

By the presence of something we can infer the possibility of nothing. Maybe you can. I can't. I've never seen "nothing". It's more like absence of existence is possible. We need something to represent absence of existence and that is zero. I see! So we are dealing with representation of existence, ...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:45 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

It would be an empty universe with zero particles. Such a thing could feasibly exist. That nothingness is nothing so its incorrect to say it goes goes on forever - Its has no spacial dimension to go on forever. So it's incorrect to say that it goes on forever, but it's correct to say that something...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

I think space comes to an end and beyond that there are no fundamental particles.....It would be an empty universe with zero particles. Such a thing could feasibly exist. So after the "end" there is nothing? Is there an "end" to the nothingness? If there is an end to the nothingness what comes afte...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

The absence of things is a real phenomenon The absence of fundamental particles is not. There could be a universe with zero particles in it; it would just be very boring. It wouldn't be a universe. And there certainly would be no entity to find any such "universe" "boring". Let me know when you con...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:44 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

Infinity exists only in the mind. No different to zero. There cannot be an actual infinity of particles in the universe so there cannot be an actual infinite number of objects. There cannot be zero particles in the universe either. For if there were zero particles you and I wouldn't be here. The ab...
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:12 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

Logik wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:47 pm
devans99 wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:43 pm
Holding zero of both.
Are you sure you aren't holding zero of infinitely many different objects?

Translated into Mathematics: 0 * ∞ = ?
Infinity exists only in the mind. There cannot be an actual infinity of particles in the universe so there cannot be an actual infinite number of objects.
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:43 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

Logik wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:32 pm
devans99 wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:19 pm
You can have zero rocks for example.
You can?

How can you tell if you are holding zero rocks or zero cocks?
Holding zero of both.

Absence of something is part of everyday experience. Numbers greater than any number are not.
by devans99
Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:19 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Universe can't be infinite.
Replies: 572
Views: 16677

Re: Universe can't be infinite.

Logik wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:17 pm
devans99 wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:12 pm
absences of things exist in reality
Read that again. Slowly.
You can have zero rocks for example.