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by RCSaunders
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:56 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

Hi IC, There is fundamental difference in what we mean by language, and in particulare, by a concept. Most of our other disagreements can be reduced to that difference, so I'm going to address that issue. Concepts An "apple" does put a specifying ( by which I mean not "the same" but "specifying a co...
by RCSaunders
Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:01 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

Well that was quick, IC. I think I'll take a little longer to respond. Perhaps it's me, but I am a little confused about what you actually mean. For example: Identify does not mean reproduce something, or have a picture or image of something, or explaining something. Identify only means to indicate,...
by RCSaunders
Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:31 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

You two guys are members of a very selective collective. There are just two of you and you have a certain reverence for each other. Interesting, but do you practice what you pre 8) ach? Hi Jay, It's kind of a sad commentary when civil discourse is considered unusual, don't you think? One does not h...
by RCSaunders
Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:14 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

A concept does not mean its definition, a concept means whatever actual existent or category of existents it identifies. Yes, that's true; it does. So far, so good! but... But the relation of concept to existent is not direct. It is not the case that the concept "apple" automatically produces in hu...
by RCSaunders
Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:09 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

"A bachelor is a single male" is a piece of knowledge. But it's not empirical -- one doesn't know it by means of examining males to see if they are all bachelors and single: one knows it because the term "bachelor" is analytically a descriptor of a single male. The definition only depends on there ...
by RCSaunders
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:16 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

Skepdick wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:57 am
So I guess you need a new narrative, you silly cooperative, subordinate collectivist.
Yes suh! Whatever you say, massah.
by RCSaunders
Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:22 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

The point is this: there is no certain knowledge about empirical matters. There is probable knowledge, and more probable knowledge and less probable knowledge...any of which may turn out to be mistaken or not . I'm fully convinced you do not think certain knowledge is possible, and I'm not trying t...
by RCSaunders
Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:36 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

Human knowledge is fallible: existence itself is not. Things exist or do not. But we may have only degrees of knowledge about them. I'm not quite sure what it would mean to say existence is not fallible, but since you go on to say things exist (a thing cannot not exist), I assume you mean existence...
by RCSaunders
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:28 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

Cooperation and subordination are not mutually exclusive concepts. Well they are mutually exclusive, but it is impossible for those who have surrendered their minds to a slave mentality to understand that individuals work together all the time for common or complementary objectives without one of t...
by RCSaunders
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:18 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

True science is discovering the nature of material existence by means of reason about the evidence of that existence. But as Descartes showed, everything about "nature" and "material existence" is capable of doubt, in a way that 2+2=4 is not. So the minute you bring in those elements, you have prob...
by RCSaunders
Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:21 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

2nd time - same question. What did you produce the first time you got paid for anything? If you had nothing of value to offer, what did you sell? If you had something of value - what was it and where did you learn how to make it? That's three questions, but who's counting. 1. A babysitting service....
by RCSaunders
Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:50 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

I hope you don't mean this as a general principle. If you do, it is a very bad mistake, probably based on the belief that science is, "inductive," in nature, a huge lie put over originally by Hume. Mathematics can be deductive, once the basic mathematical axioms are taken for granted, RC. But empir...
by RCSaunders
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:10 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

Cooperation is the relationship between individuals in which each individual chooses to participate in some activity with others because it benefits each participating individual to do so, without anyone having to sacrifice any value or purpose of their own. Yes! It's called trade. ... That's exact...
by RCSaunders
Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

Hi IC, I think we have reached a kind of impasse. I'm a little reluctant to comment because I do not want to offend you, and because I'm going to have to change what we originally agreed to in our conversation of debating what Biblical Christian teaching is. The reason is because I think your curren...
by RCSaunders
Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:30 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 387
Views: 6615

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

The individual choice is between cooperation and agitation. The relationship of a collectivist with others is not cooperation, but subordination. What makes a relationship between individuals a collective one is the subordination of individual interests to the interests of a collective, whatever th...