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by RCSaunders
Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:58 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2029
Views: 68694

Re: What could make morality objective?

What is "IT" in your sentence? Whatever it is you say the, "other animal species are capable of caring," about. You're the one who thinks they are capable of caring about something, not me. If you don't know what "IT" is then you comment is meaningless. Why take the trouble to contradict me when yo...
by RCSaunders
Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:36 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2029
Views: 68694

Re: What could make morality objective?

If you think the moral wrongness of slavery is a real thing that exists independent from opinion, that's what you have to demonstrate. What I've demonstrated is no sane man wants to be a slave is a fact . From that fact you can infer slavery is objectively wrong . Dispute me, or admit you can't. Pl...
by RCSaunders
Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:05 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2029
Views: 68694

Re: What could make morality objective?

If you don't want to derail the thread, address the issues raised in the article. This, alone, I would salvage. “A contradiction does not exist . . . . To arrive at a contradiction is to confess an error in one’s thinking; to maintain a contradiction is to abdicate one’s mind and to evict oneself f...
by RCSaunders
Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:11 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2029
Views: 68694

Re: What could make morality objective?

Now, in this Reality, I don't think it's possible for folks to sanely crave to be slaves. Sanity and slavery are oil and water . Henry, what do you mean by, "slavery." There are two meanings. One is the forced control of an individual against their will, which, by definition, means what no one want...
by RCSaunders
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2029
Views: 68694

Re: What could make morality objective?

Humanity is more important than me and you. Important to whom? Only individuals have values and nothing is important except to those capable of having values. Nothing is important if it is not important to some individual. Nothing, not society, not mankind, not humanity is more important than indiv...
by RCSaunders
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:42 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2029
Views: 68694

Re: What could make morality objective?

You've used a couple of labels, ["Calvinist," and, "Objectivist"] as though that explained why the argument can just be dismissed. Check back, RC. I neither said that, nor implied that. With regard to Piper's Calvinism, he's proud to own it. I didn't put it on him. But in point of fact, I have prin...
by RCSaunders
Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:25 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2029
Views: 68694

Re: What could make morality objective?

Other animal species are capable of caring. Is that what they tell you? Well, OK then. If all those animals care so much, they can do something about it, right? What is "IT" in your sentence? Whatever it is you say the, "other animal species are capable of caring," about. You're the one who thinks ...
by RCSaunders
Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:57 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2029
Views: 68694

Re: What could make morality objective?

Other animal species are capable of caring. Is that what they tell you? Well, OK then. If all those animals care so much, they can do something about it, right? Sorry, just pulling your leg. No creatures except human beings know there is a yesterday or a tomorrow and none of them are sitting around...
by RCSaunders
Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:42 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2029
Views: 68694

Re: What could make morality objective?

The following is from an article by a well-known Theist in defense of one philosopher's mostly correct objective view of ethics: The Ethics of Ayn Rand: Restatement Actually, RC, we've got to differentiate between "objective" and "Objectivist." The former is a kind of synonym for "real," and the se...
by RCSaunders
Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:21 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2029
Views: 68694

Re: What could make morality objective?

Sculptor wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:43 pm
Extinction of humanity is probably going to happen at some point; sooner the better.
Does tomorrow work for you? We'll have the nukes ready - you can push the "GO!" button.
Duh.
The rest of the earth would also suffer. Dingbat
Not for long, and afterward nothing would care.
by RCSaunders
Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:17 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 2029
Views: 68694

Re: What could make morality objective?

125 pages in, and still no grounds for any secular objective moral judgment have been found. We can't even prove, on that basis, that something as bad as slavery is wrong. That should really tell us something. It certainly does. It proves that philosophers (especially those that follow Hume, Kant, ...
by RCSaunders
Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:23 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Religion and Absolute Moral Values--The Ten Commandments, For Example
Replies: 3
Views: 87

Religion and Absolute Moral Values--The Ten Commandments, For Example

Religious people frequently claim religion is necessary because without it there would be no absolute moral values. They explain it by saying things like, "without absolute moral values mankind would be morally rudderless," or "without absolute moral values mankind has no fixed direction by which to...
by RCSaunders
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:46 am
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: Extinction Rebellion
Replies: 56
Views: 494

Re: Extinction Rebellion = bullshit

the climate changes...man ain't drivin' those changes...relax...support real science That's right, Henry, but even if they were, just because someone doesn't like a certain climate doesn't mean it's bad or that everybody else has to sacrifice their life for their sake. I personally would love for t...
by RCSaunders
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:40 am
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: Extinction Rebellion
Replies: 56
Views: 494

Re: Extinction Rebellion

Gary Childress wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:18 pm
So these guys seem to be stirring things up a bit with acts of civil disobedience.
Personally, I think the sooner "these guys" go extinct, the better, along with any other environmental creackpots.
by RCSaunders
Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:37 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: The UN Declaration on Slavery is an Absolute Moral Law
Replies: 31
Views: 272

Re: The UN Declaration on Slavery is an Absolute Moral Law

who pays? every interested nation... Nations or nations governments? And where do governments get their money? They get it from the people who produce it, by means of taxes, thus enslaving the producers of their society. So, what you are saying is, it is good to enslave people to finance a military...