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- Sat May 25, 2019 7:59 pm
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Any science of logic?
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### Re: Any science of logic?

Nobody knows all possible causes of failure of a cellphone. They do know the reason they work when they do not fail, which was my only point. No, they don't know. They believe they know. They are even probably certain they know. The universe does not fail. I don't think anybody knows the reason. Ho...

- Sat May 25, 2019 7:52 pm
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: How do we say this using the notation conventions of mathematical logic?
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### Re: How do we say this using the notation conventions of mathematical logic?

Traditionally, the definition of the notion of validity relies on the notion of truth: An inference is valid if and only if the truth of the conclusion follows from the truth of the premises.

I understand that you choose a definition of truth relying on the notion of validity.

Am I wrong?

EB

I understand that you choose a definition of truth relying on the notion of validity.

Am I wrong?

EB

- Sat May 25, 2019 10:23 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Any science of logic?
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### Re: Any science of logic?

Seems you've run out of anything rational to say.Univalence wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 6:00 pmDistinction without a difference.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 4:35 pmThen you're using the word "logic" to mean not logic but thinking, possibly rational thinking I wouldn't know. Therefore, equivocation.

EB

- Sat May 25, 2019 10:22 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Any science of logic?
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### Re: Any science of logic?

You cannot predict how many cell phones will be produced and sold next year, but every cell phone works because the principles of electronics that define the millions of events that must occur for them to work are determined by principles which are absolute, and known. Nobody knows all possible cau...

- Fri May 24, 2019 4:35 pm
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Any science of logic?
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### Re: Any science of logic?

Logic has been understood from the start as an incomplete representation of human thought. We can't even get off the conceptual ground here. That is not how I think about logic. For starters - it hasn't been 'understood' since we are still busy trying to understand it. Then you're using the word "l...

- Fri May 24, 2019 10:50 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Any science of logic?
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### Re: Any science of logic?

No. That's for maths to "describe decision-making under uncertainty". We are going to get nowhere with this "that's somebody else's problem" attitude. Does your mind make decisions? Mine does. I am pretty sure yours does too. Any description of 'logic' that doesn't describe the process of decision-...

- Thu May 23, 2019 5:34 pm
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Any science of logic?
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### Re: Any science of logic?

No. That's for maths to "describe decision-making under uncertainty".Univalence wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 2:50 pmModern "so called logic" is an attempt to describe decision-making under uncertainty.

Formal logic is an attempt to describe logic. Except of course mathematical logic isn't really formal logic at all.

EB

- Thu May 23, 2019 5:30 pm
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Any science of logic?
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### Re: Any science of logic?

I don't think anybody ever claimed Boole's algebra would somehow be unrepresentative or untrue of human logic. Russel did, and he was right. He refers specifically to Boole's 1854 An Investigation of the Laws of Thought , pointing out that human thought involves much more than logic. You think Bool...

- Thu May 23, 2019 5:15 pm
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: A junior high school level of understanding of logic
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### Re: A junior high school level of understanding of logic

Premise(A) All dogs are mammals. Premise(B) All mammals breathe. Conclusion(C) All dogs breathe. A B {A, B} ⊢ C ------------- ∴ C So, what is "true" and what is "True(x)" in your example? EB To keep it as simple as possible we can assume the propositional logic notion of true. Every propositional v...

- Thu May 23, 2019 10:24 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Any science of logic?
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### Re: Any science of logic?

So, you think Aristotle's definition of a syllogism doesn't amount to a foundational definition of logic? It is one foundational definition of logic. There are many foundational definitions possible. How would you go about deciding which one is the "correct" foundation? Like how I decide what the t...

- Thu May 23, 2019 8:18 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: A junior high school level of understanding of logic
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### Re: A junior high school level of understanding of logic

It only takes a junior high school level of understanding of this: Validity and Soundness https://www.iep.utm.edu/val-snd/ A deductive argument is said to be valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false. Otherw...

- Thu May 23, 2019 7:27 am
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Any science of logic?
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### Re: Any science of logic?

That's a re-definition of logic, hence, it's equivocation. You can't re-define something you never defined to begin with. Here is Aristotle's definition of a syllogism and hence of logical validity and of deductive logic itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority So, you think Ari...

- Wed May 22, 2019 6:15 pm
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Any science of logic?
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### Re: Any science of logic?

Any inconsistency makes a system 100% illogical. No it doesn't. There are logics which can tolerate some inconsistencies. That's a re-definition of logic, hence, it's equivocation. Here is Aristotle's definition of a syllogism and hence of logical validity and of deductive logic itself: A syllogism...

- Wed May 22, 2019 5:40 pm
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: Any science of logic?
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### Re: Any science of logic?

Any inconsistency makes a system 100% illogical.

Aristotle's syllogistic is logical.

ZFC isn't logic at all. At best, it's a crude approximation.

So, your metrics could be understood as the distance from a given system to logic proper.

EB

Aristotle's syllogistic is logical.

ZFC isn't logic at all. At best, it's a crude approximation.

So, your metrics could be understood as the distance from a given system to logic proper.

EB

- Wed May 22, 2019 5:32 pm
- Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
- Topic: A junior high school level of understanding of logic
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### Re: A junior high school level of understanding of logic

It only takes a junior high school level of understanding of this: Validity and Soundness https://www.iep.utm.edu/val-snd/ A deductive argument is said to be valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false. Otherw...