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by Peter Holmes
Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:59 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: Pete

"can you cite a moral fact and show why it describes a feature of reality correctly" I think I did that already. To my satisfaction: I've cited a moral fact and tied it directly (and correctly) to a feature of reality. You disagree. Since I got no time or taste for ridin' a merry go 'round today: w...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:39 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

No, it doesn't make it clearer. Oh, sorry. I'll try again. The good is that which is in harmony with a god's nature, and the not-good is that which isn't in harmony with a god's nature. But this is circular. A god is good. What is goodness? Harmoniousness with a god's nature. It doesn't explain wha...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:23 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: Pete

"Please can you produce an example and show how it describes a feature of reality correctly." I can tell you what I think. I believe myself to be a free will (of the libertarian agent causation variety). My experience of myself, in the world, convinces me of this. Thing is: reality seems to be dete...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:32 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: Pete

"Your argument seems to be: people don't want to die, so killing people is morally wrong." Well, if 'morality' is subjective, has no grounding in reality, is just consensus or is just majority-determined: then 'morality' literally is what the majority sez it is, yeah? If the majority choose to resp...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:23 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

Peter: Koran, Ten Commandments, Litany of Curses( Deuteronomy 27:15-26),Code of Hammurabi, Lex Talionis for examples. Civil law is usually founded upon religious moral codes. No doubt. But what and where is 'the moral law', and who codified it? You've just listed various moral codes, some claiming ...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:17 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

Belinda You talk confidently about 'the moral law'. And you say there's no codified 'sacred law' about abortion. Do you think there's a codified moral law? And if so, what and where is it - and who codified it? More to the point, I don't see how morality - judgements about the rights and wrongs of b...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:47 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: Pete

"Why is killing a human being wrong?" I don't want to die. So much so, I will most surely try to kill the one who tries to kill me. This desire for life, this impulse to defend one's life, seems to be natural and normal. Most folks, most of the time, at any given place, at any given time, demonstra...
by Peter Holmes
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:55 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

I apologise. I took you to mean that whatever the Creator commands us to do or refrain from doing, we should do or refrain from doing, because that would be morally good. My misunderstanding. Not a problem. It happens to us all. So if the Creator commanded us to do something wicked, you wouldn't do...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:00 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

And there, in a nutshell, is the moral bankruptcy of your position. What a god, (for the existence, nature and opinions of which there is no evidence), says is good or evil is good or evil. That is not what I said. You must be careful to read what I actually said, not to guess at what you think I m...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:59 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

Why is killing a human being wrong? And is that a fact, or an opinion? A fact. It's a fact because the Creator declared our performing of an act of murder to be an act incommensurate with His character. In short, He told us "No." And there, in a nutshell, is the moral bankruptcy of your position. W...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:51 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

Deciding on the status of the foetus doesn't solve the question of the morality of abortion. 'Abortion is wrong, because the foetus is a human being, and killing a human being is wrong.' So one moral opinion is justified by citing another moral opinion, which begs the question. Why is killing a huma...
by Peter Holmes
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:13 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

Nick_A You quote Muggeridge with approval: 'The orgasm has replaced the Cross as the focus of longing and the image of fulfillment.' Perhaps this is supposed to mean that a woman should suffer on the cross of an unwanted pregnancy. The familiar bad smell of Christianity. And you claim without justif...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:43 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

First show a moral assertion such as 'murder is wrong' makes a knowledge-claim. Then ask about epistemic criteria. The burden of proof is with moral objectivists and realists. Nothing so far.
by Peter Holmes
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:12 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

1 If people believe murder is morally wrong, then the murder rate falls. (Empirical evidence.) So 'murder is morally wrong' is a fact. 2 If people believe murder is not morally wrong, then the murder rate rises. (Empirical evidence.) So 'murder is not morally wrong' is a fact. If the second argument...
by Peter Holmes
Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:35 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 569
Views: 7668

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

Univalence has to wriggle to avoid the contradictions in its argument. It has entertainment value.