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by SteveKlinko
Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:27 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 1379

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

What sort of proof is going to satisfy you? None. Neural activity is consciousness. Nothing is going to show "ACTUAL consciousness". All science is representation. War & Peace does not show actual War. A falling apple does not show actual gravity. Trump does not show actual thinking. These analogie...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 1379

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

...as a side note, the 800lb Gorilla in the room is the Conscious Self that does the Experiencing of Redness. Well yeah. Whatever consciousness is, it is indistinguishable from a miracle. Given the evident association with physical brains, my hunch is that consciousness is, in effect, the 'field' g...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:31 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''
Replies: 108
Views: 1868

Re: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''

I reject your assertion that the question: "What is the Experience of Redness?" is a meaningless question. It is meaningless to people that don't properly understand it. If the question "What is the Experience of Redness?" could be understood properly, then the question "What is the Experience of R...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:21 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 1379

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

If you think Consciousness is just a word like Truth then you are correct that you don't stand a chance of ever understanding anything. Only words are understood, but words do not understand. The word consciousness is not concious. It's a divine contradictory paradox. Imagine a reality without know...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:31 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''
Replies: 108
Views: 1868

Re: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''

I reject your assertion that the question: "What is the Experience of Redness?" is a meaningless question. It is meaningless to people that don't properly understand it. You are one of those people. You are asking "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?". The answer 42 upsets you...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:27 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 1379

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

Thank You. We are all Confused with regard to Consciousness. If you think you are not Confused then you are Confused and Deluded. Well, what chance do I stand then? I was going to say "I don't know anything about consciousness because it's just a word. Like truth. It doesn't matter what it is if yo...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:18 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''
Replies: 108
Views: 1868

Re: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''

You are missing the fine points of the question. By asking how Neural Activity produces Redness I am implicitly asking the Deeper question of What is Redness in the first place. Your analogy misses the point because we already know what an Apple is and what the Ground is. However we don't even know...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:07 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 1379

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

When it comes to what we know about Conscious Experience at this point in time we find that Dualism is where Science is stuck at. Neural Activity happens and then a Conscious Experience happens. This is not science's fault. By virtue of asking for an explanation dualism is born. The two categories ...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:04 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Cartesian dualism
Replies: 55
Views: 1162

Re: Cartesian dualism

I'm more optimistic because I think that everything will eventually be Explained some day. On the other hand I'm pessimistic because that will be a bad day for us because the Mystery is the Glory of our existence. When we do figure it all out we will have to do something to make us forget all the a...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:53 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 1379

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

The history of our understanding of Gravity is interesting. Gravity has had some serious point of view changes over the years with one or the other of 3 or 4 theories dominating at any given point in time. But the simple question of how does Neural Activity produce something like the Experience of ...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:40 am
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 1379

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

Yes it does. Science can ever predict decision making by scanning the brain. If you scan the Brain you are detecting Neural Activity not actual Conscious Experience. What sort of proof is going to satisfy you? None. Neural activity is consciousness. Nothing is going to show "ACTUAL consciousness". ...
by SteveKlinko
Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:36 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Cartesian dualism
Replies: 55
Views: 1162

Re: Cartesian dualism

I think the mind body problem will always remain a great puzzle. I do wonder, however, why not "dualism"? Why should monism be so attractive? It's said that dualism creates the problem of how two completely different entities (mind and body) are able to interact with each other. However, the univer...
by SteveKlinko
Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:13 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 1379

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

It isn't possible, at this point in time, for Science to show that the Neural Activity is the Conscious Experience. Yes it does. Science can ever predict decision making by scanning the brain. Philosophy of mind isn't my field, but as I understand it, the neural activity that scientists associate w...
by SteveKlinko
Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 1379

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

No. Your problem here is that you start with the assumption that the mind is other than the body (which it is not). This means that everything you continue with is slewed in understanding. If I replace the tires on a car, or a battery, or even the engine it is still the same car. The idea that chan...
by SteveKlinko
Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:51 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 1379

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

Ok so you are saying that a Pattern of Neurons is involved. Saying that it is a Pattern of Neurons firing has no more Explanatory power than just saying there was Neural Activity and then the Redness happened. There is a huge Explanatory Gap between the statement Pattern of Neurons and an Experienc...