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by SteveKlinko
Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:50 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 987

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

You, like all dualists are always trying to defer. when you assert that the soul is the source of consciousness, will you say what it is that operates the soul, and what operates that in turn? No, what I am saying is that your analogy is very poor indeed. A TV is nothing more that a conduit - a rec...
by SteveKlinko
Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:21 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Cartesian dualism
Replies: 47
Views: 777

Re: Cartesian dualism

Conscious Experience is one such Category of Phenomena that is not Explained yet. Steve, let us try to explain it ourselves ok? The thing is, all I am ever doing here on this forum is attempting to explain it myself from my own direct subjective experience, it's all I ever do, I don't believe the a...
by SteveKlinko
Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:15 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 987

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

It's a very poor analogy. The TV image (as seen by spectators) is analogous to the speech and gestures of the human body, which are all generated by neural activity. So you really do think saying that the Electronics IS the Image is a good Explanation? Go try to fix a TV with that kind of understan...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:55 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''
Replies: 101
Views: 1281

Re: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''

On the other hand, some smart Mind might be inspired by the question and come up with the answer tomorrow afternoon. The answer to a question can only come from the knowledge that is already available NOW. That which is not-known can eventually become known via knowledge available NOW.. but that wh...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:49 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 987

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

Perfect transference. I think a psychologist would have fun with you. My analogies are fine. It is you that is obfuscating. You can try to counter obfuscate but my points remain. Yes of course science can study consciousness. What I said is that it cannot DIRECTLY "Show" it. It cannot show it anymo...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:45 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Cartesian dualism
Replies: 47
Views: 777

Re: Cartesian dualism

They say some good stuff. Speaking is nothing more than just fleeting 'non-material sound' heard as 'material words' within the IMMATERIAL mind/body mechanism, it's a process that has only a temporal relationship with the MATERIAL shapes and forms described. ''Individuality'' the idea there is a 't...
by SteveKlinko
Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:27 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 987

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

What sort of proof is going to satisfy you? None. Neural activity is consciousness. Nothing is going to show "ACTUAL consciousness". All science is representation. War & Peace does not show actual War. A falling apple does not show actual gravity. Trump does not show actual thinking. These analogie...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 987

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

...as a side note, the 800lb Gorilla in the room is the Conscious Self that does the Experiencing of Redness. Well yeah. Whatever consciousness is, it is indistinguishable from a miracle. Given the evident association with physical brains, my hunch is that consciousness is, in effect, the 'field' g...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:31 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''
Replies: 101
Views: 1281

Re: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''

I reject your assertion that the question: "What is the Experience of Redness?" is a meaningless question. It is meaningless to people that don't properly understand it. If the question "What is the Experience of Redness?" could be understood properly, then the question "What is the Experience of R...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:21 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 987

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

If you think Consciousness is just a word like Truth then you are correct that you don't stand a chance of ever understanding anything. Only words are understood, but words do not understand. The word consciousness is not concious. It's a divine contradictory paradox. Imagine a reality without know...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:31 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''
Replies: 101
Views: 1281

Re: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''

I reject your assertion that the question: "What is the Experience of Redness?" is a meaningless question. It is meaningless to people that don't properly understand it. You are one of those people. You are asking "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?". The answer 42 upsets you...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:27 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 987

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

Thank You. We are all Confused with regard to Consciousness. If you think you are not Confused then you are Confused and Deluded. Well, what chance do I stand then? I was going to say "I don't know anything about consciousness because it's just a word. Like truth. It doesn't matter what it is if yo...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:18 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''
Replies: 101
Views: 1281

Re: Consciousness IS - but it's NOT a ''Conscious Experience''

You are missing the fine points of the question. By asking how Neural Activity produces Redness I am implicitly asking the Deeper question of What is Redness in the first place. Your analogy misses the point because we already know what an Apple is and what the Ground is. However we don't even know...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:07 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Locked Mind Thought Experiment
Replies: 87
Views: 987

Re: Locked Mind Thought Experiment

When it comes to what we know about Conscious Experience at this point in time we find that Dualism is where Science is stuck at. Neural Activity happens and then a Conscious Experience happens. This is not science's fault. By virtue of asking for an explanation dualism is born. The two categories ...
by SteveKlinko
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:04 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Cartesian dualism
Replies: 47
Views: 777

Re: Cartesian dualism

I'm more optimistic because I think that everything will eventually be Explained some day. On the other hand I'm pessimistic because that will be a bad day for us because the Mystery is the Glory of our existence. When we do figure it all out we will have to do something to make us forget all the a...