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by commonsense
Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do we need consciousness?
Replies: 158
Views: 2175

Re: Do we need consciousness?

What measure of time do you consider enough? Are you the one that has the final say in such matters? Both had/have to do with the excretion/elimination of toxins, how long has it been that we're more knowledgeable about what we should and should not eat/drink? Have you studied biochemistry at all, ...
by commonsense
Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:13 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do we need consciousness?
Replies: 158
Views: 2175

Re: Do we need consciousness?

To deny evolution, thus time is ridiculous. Yes. Evolution is the reason why the appendix is obsolete, but renal functionality does not have anything to do with evolution (this has been unchanged by time). What measure of time do you consider enough? Are you the one that has the final say in such m...
by commonsense
Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:03 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Which of these is Real and True?
Replies: 68
Views: 852

Re: We can accept that the apple exists independent of human experience...

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:37 am Age wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:01 am commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:37 am . ...but we have no means at our disposal to actually prove it exists. The problem I highlighted was about what happens to the apple when no one is looking. Age wrote: ↑Mo...
by commonsense
Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:49 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do we need consciousness?
Replies: 158
Views: 2175

Re: Do we need consciousness?

We need what ever it is that we have, else we wouldn’t have it. The appendix is obsolete. Eyebrows are not necessary. 1 kidney can do the work of 2. To deny evolution, thus time is ridiculous. Yes. Evolution is the reason why the appendix is obsolete, but renal functionality does not have anything ...
by commonsense
Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:45 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do we need consciousness?
Replies: 158
Views: 2175

Re: Do we need consciousness?

There is a difference between being optimally functional and able to survive. Technically we can get by without legs, but you don’t see many people opting to amputate. Eyebrows serve an important function of expression and communication. Sure, we can text each other, but you wouldn’t go ripping out...
by commonsense
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:41 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Which of these is Real and True?
Replies: 68
Views: 852

Re: Which of these is Real and True?

Human beings came to exist, or evolved into Existence, from other things. Before human beings started existing there MUST OF been other things previously. (Unless, of course, 'you' BELIEVE otherwise.) ALL 'things', by definition, are objects, so 'other things' also are objects. Before human beings ...
by commonsense
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:03 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Which of these is Real and True?
Replies: 68
Views: 852

Re: We can accept that the apple exists independent of human experience...

. ...but we have no means at our disposal to actually prove it exists. The problem I highlighted was about what happens to the apple when no one is looking. Considering 'you' are calling 'it' an "apple", implies or infers that 'it' remains an 'apple', even when there are no human beings looking at ...
by commonsense
Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:00 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Which of these is Real and True?
Replies: 68
Views: 852

Re: Which of these is Real and True?

"Humans + basic concepts + concept of apple + consciousness = emergence of a real apple." I think it's more like this... Man apprehends thing , experiences its qualities, names those qualities, names the thing . Without Man there is no apprehending of thing , no experiencing of thing's qualities, n...
by commonsense
Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Which of these is Real and True?
Replies: 68
Views: 852

Re: We can accept that the apple exists independent of human experience...

...but we have no means at our disposal to actually prove it exists. When a human experiences an apple, it certainly exists for that human, as long as that human accepts its own experience as evidence. This acceptance, or assumption, is wholly dependent on the human. If the human cannot accept/beli...
by commonsense
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:16 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Which of these is Real and True?
Replies: 68
Views: 852

Re: Which of these is Real and True?

"Humans + basic concepts + concept of apple + consciousness = emergence of a real apple." I think it's more like this... Man apprehends thing , experiences its qualities, names those qualities, names the thing . Without Man there is no apprehending of thing , no experiencing of thing's qualities, n...
by commonsense
Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:09 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Which of these is Real and True?
Replies: 68
Views: 852

Re: We can accept that the apple exists independent of human experience...

"The problem I highlighted was about what happens to the apple when no one is looking. It’s probably still there, but I cannot know that it’s still there unless I look at it (or smell it, etc.)" This is not a problem: the apple you place on the table exists. When you leave the house for the day tha...
by commonsense
Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:37 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Which of these is Real and True?
Replies: 68
Views: 852

Re: We can accept that the apple exists independent of human experience...

...but we have no means at our disposal to actually prove it exists. Sure we (I) do: I pick it up, smell it, take a big bite. It's an apple, or sumthin' else (like mebbe a wax replica). To be sure, it’s an apple, or something else (like a replica or a hallucination. When a human experiences an appl...
by commonsense
Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Which of these is Real and True?
Replies: 68
Views: 852

We can accept that the apple exists independent of human experience...

...but we have no means at our disposal to actually prove it exists. When a human experiences an apple, it certainly exists for that human, as long as that human accepts its own experience as evidence. This acceptance, or assumption, is wholly dependent on the human. If the human cannot accept/belie...
by commonsense
Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:21 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do we need consciousness?
Replies: 158
Views: 2175

Re: Do we need consciousness?

There is a difference between being optimally functional and able to survive. Technically we can get by without legs, but you don’t see many people opting to amputate. Eyebrows serve an important function of expression and communication. Sure, we can text each other, but you wouldn’t go ripping out...
by commonsense
Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:20 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: The Technological Singularity: A.I. becomes sentient
Replies: 23
Views: 394

Re: The Technological Singularity: A.I. becomes sentient

Will human consciousness become obsolete after the singularity? Selfishly, my answer is no. A distinct human consciousness will coexist with the sentience of AI, much the same as lower species are sometimes thought to have a degree of sentience at present. Realistically, if totally biological consci...