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by osgart
Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:03 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?
Replies: 74
Views: 3343

Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Some leeway is always required with myths. Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”. That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not b...
by osgart
Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:42 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?
Replies: 74
Views: 3343

Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Your assumption is not following the story line so I doubt that we will get far. How could they have knowledge and understanding of good and evil before consuming the knowledge of what good and evil from the knowledge tree? Regards DL God made them with free will, and the capacity to understand, it...
by osgart
Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:19 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?
Replies: 74
Views: 3343

Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

They had the presence of God, and the presence of Satan. As they experienced both of them, they already had sufficient understanding of good and evil. To eat from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil was redundant, and therefore a waste of an action. God did not create them without minds, and...
by osgart
Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:18 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?
Replies: 74
Views: 3343

Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Nahh i would of sought out God, and ate from the tree of life. This reality bites the dust. All Adam and Eve did was already in their hearts to do. They had every good thing otherwise then what they did. They had freedom and chose defiance. Why defy God? They could have known life instead of good a...
by osgart
Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:22 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?
Replies: 74
Views: 3343

Re: Satan gave man love. Was it worth the hate?

Nahh i would of sought out God, and ate from the tree of life. This reality bites the dust. All Adam and Eve did was already in their hearts to do. They had every good thing otherwise then what they did. They had freedom and chose defiance. Why defy God? They could have known life instead of good an...
by osgart
Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:58 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Why do Christians believe they have God on their side?
Replies: 45
Views: 1420

Re: Why do Christians believe they have God on their side?

They screwed up so bad in life they figure so did everybody else. And their God saves only sinners, so they specifically qualify for redemption. I had a Christian tell me, " you know you did it, confess it to God". He did not know anything about me. So basically they blow off people as sinners on th...
by osgart
Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:57 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Atheism as True
Replies: 16
Views: 773

Re: Atheism as True

Theists are mostly those who worship an us versus them god, i agree with that. Perhaps if they worshipped a truly benevolent god, and a truly just god, then they would be left alone and not find themselves in constant opposition. Also many theists delude themselves about the nature of reality. Thats...
by osgart
Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:19 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Life is not Religious. Life is not a Religion.
Replies: 116
Views: 3635

Re: Life is not Religious. Life is not a Religion.

To me that is empathy. To care for others as well as self. The self and selfless aspects of being a person. The monkeywrench in all that is the problem of evil. How does one handle an evil person? Mercy and punishment. Self motives are not all bad. Rather its the nature of the motive. The care of se...
by osgart
Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:08 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Life is not Religious. Life is not a Religion.
Replies: 116
Views: 3635

Re: Life is not Religious. Life is not a Religion.

We are all totally separate beings. The idea of oneness with everybody i find totally absurd. Why would anybody want to lose their individuality? I would rather not exist. And that is my humility not egocentric hanging on to an illusion.
by osgart
Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:11 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Is religion evolving?
Replies: 1
Views: 174

Is religion evolving?

As knowledge and information grow perhaps people are becoming more intelligent. And the more intelligent they become, the more religious myths become mythology, and less and less of it is taken literally. However the motivations of religion are not going to go away. Those motivations of eternal life...
by osgart
Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:42 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Youth Violence = Deprived OF Christian Values = Aggressive Secularism.
Replies: 156
Views: 5134

Re: Youth Violence = Deprived OF Christian Values = Aggressive Secularism.

I never said anything about christianity being secular. Its just that ideologies demand conformity. Ideologies oppress. Im wary of people doing things in the name of God. Im also wary of anyone who claims absolute knowledge. Why do ideologies always strive for conformists? Believe or else, know or e...
by osgart
Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:40 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Youth Violence = Deprived OF Christian Values = Aggressive Secularism.
Replies: 156
Views: 5134

Re: Youth Violence = Deprived OF Christian Values = Aggressive Secularism.

Technology has made a great quality of life for a lot of people. Because of this people begin to desire to have values. I dont see where Christianity means anything whatsoever. Through science, engineering, people see that civilization is precious, and life is worth living. Humans have graduated fro...
by osgart
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:32 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Will Adolf Hitler Be Saved (End Up in Heaven)?
Replies: 157
Views: 5144

Re: Will Adolf Hitler Be Saved (End Up in Heaven)?

Interesting that someone could be redeemed by the purifying fires of hell. Hell is also the absence of goodness. Doing without Goodness is something to fear. I believe in universal salvation as being an effective punishment. I truly believe evil can be totally conquered in this way. Im imagining a c...
by osgart
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:08 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Most Important Thing You'll Ever Read.
Replies: 2
Views: 338

Re: The Most Important Thing You'll Ever Read.

To become truly just is to have the heart of justice, i agree with that. A conscience that cares for others as they deserve, for the benefit of all. To actually have the heart of that. While people who dont have such heart need rules and laws of prohibition , and they can never agree on what is mora...
by osgart
Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:32 am
Forum: Philosophy of Science
Topic: Is science only for the scientists?
Replies: 27
Views: 1329

Re: Is science only for the scientists?

I took an iq test from BMI. I scored a 120 , above 130 is gifted, 144 on up is highly gifted. I never had the opportunity to get a PhD. I have a rebellious attitude toward intellectuals, i find that people with exceptional memories though maybe not so intelligent can make quite a good living. Its mo...