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by Londoner
Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:03 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: The Fundamental Problem of Socialism
Replies: 119
Views: 12566

Re: The Fundamental Problem of Socialism

Why do you use the letter 'g' sometimes but not others?
by Londoner
Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:18 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: The Fundamental Problem of Socialism
Replies: 119
Views: 12566

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Yeah, I see where you're goin' here....Mick's ordinary Joes are gettin' stepped on by the debbil rich folks, those evil 'capitalists'. Horse manure. I know of no law in the U.S. or Britain demanding the poor stay poor so the rich can stay rich. Cite one if you can. I note you have avoided the quest...
by Londoner
Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:42 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: The Fundamental Problem of Socialism
Replies: 119
Views: 12566

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If your standin' on my foot you're intrudin' on me...I'll push you off...if you get mouthy about it, I'll bust you in the chops. What I won't do: demand 90% of your profits, sue you for injury, jail you for injury, or look to restructure the way the world works to prevent you from mebbe steppin' on...
by Londoner
Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:10 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: The Fundamental Problem of Socialism
Replies: 119
Views: 12566

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henry quirk wrote:No, what I'm sayin' is what I've said over and over and over: mind your own business, keep your hands to yourself.
Suppose the situation is that I am standing on your foot.

Will you mind your own business, and keep your hands to yourself?
by Londoner
Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:59 am
Forum: Articles in Philosophy Now
Topic: The Social Contract: A License to Steal
Replies: 8
Views: 1228

Re: The Social Contract: A License to Steal

He concludes: A morally-binding social contract must provide the means to food, clothing, and shelter. The state that insists that its role is not to provide these necessities, but merely to facilitate the means for individuals to secure them, could do this by providing state employment or income. C...
by Londoner
Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:29 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: A Critique on Objective Morality
Replies: 356
Views: 28412

Re: A Critique on Objective Morality

This is an interesting claim. "All codes of conduct are relative/subject to historical, cultural and/or familial particulars." I think it is true, in the sense that all our conduct takes place within some social context. Even somebody marooned alone on a desert island is conducting themselves in th...
by Londoner
Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:50 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The problem of self under materialism
Replies: 214
Views: 16977

Re: The problem of self under materialism

Me: Again, this seems to be a problem with the notion of 'change'. I might equally be asked how an atom becomes a molecule, or an acorn becomes an oak. If this is really about 'consciousness', then there has to be a line we can draw and say this effect is quite different to all the other effects we...
by Londoner
Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:09 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The problem of self under materialism
Replies: 214
Views: 16977

Re: The problem of self under materialism

It's the only assumption worth considering....I'm not a solipsist. You'll search in vain for someone to defend that view here. But the view you're suggesting as an alternative amounts to solipsism. Then by all means make the assumption.. But you have wandered far from the point. We are discussing w...
by Londoner
Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:02 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The problem of self under materialism
Replies: 214
Views: 16977

Re: The problem of self under materialism

You assumed that if there is "something outside your consciousness, something that is affecting your consciousness," then "that it just another example of cause-and-effect." (Your words) That does not follow. If I sense something outside me, that does not determine what I do about it. I may have fr...
by Londoner
Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:13 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The problem of self under materialism
Replies: 214
Views: 16977

Re: The problem of self under materialism

Nope. You've begged the question there. It's a non-sequitur as well. If there is a plurality of persons, and each has its own consciousness, then consciousness-to-consciousness connection may well be an activity capable of producing outcomes: but not "cause-and-effect," but rather, "communication b...
by Londoner
Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:04 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The problem of self under materialism
Replies: 214
Views: 16977

Re: The problem of self under materialism

Here's some simplicity. Imagine that you have no emotions, they are completely gone. What kind of consciousness would you have? (aside from an emotionless one lol). Without emotions there just seems to be information processing. I would have thought that the problem centering 'consciousness' on emo...
by Londoner
Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:23 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The problem of self under materialism
Replies: 214
Views: 16977

Re: The problem of self under materialism

Well, without the consciousness, we are without thought. As to what it is, I simply accept that we have it; may, we are it. Otherwise, we would be no different from a rock ie. things without thought. Keep your premises simple, and you'll do fine. Remember, from solid premise, led by firmly connecte...
by Londoner
Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:56 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The problem of self under materialism
Replies: 214
Views: 16977

Re: The problem of self under materialism

And that's because we don't know what consciousness is, beyond the fact we have it. If we don't know what consciousness is, then we can't know we have it. You are aware, yes? Then of course you know you have it. Don't overcomplicate the obvious. It's just absurd. And even the absurd requires consci...
by Londoner
Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:27 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The problem of self under materialism
Replies: 214
Views: 16977

Re: The problem of self under materialism

Dalek Prime wrote: And that's because we don't know what consciousness is, beyond the fact we have it.
If we don't know what consciousness is, then we can't know we have it.
by Londoner
Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:14 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The problem of self under materialism
Replies: 214
Views: 16977

Re: The problem of self under materialism

Brain is the "cake." By the time one has a working brain in place, consciousness is already a fait accompli -- the "baking" is done already. We all know that, so it's entirely uninteresting. The question is much more challenging: at what point did hydrogen, carbon, and electricity amount to a thoug...