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by bahman
Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:35 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: We cannot have a relationship with God
Replies: 182
Views: 13214

Re: We cannot have a relationship with God

...What I need to do is have a better definition: one that honours the car's design, function, social role, value, etc. I'm just suggesting that maybe "relationship" is similarly a complex idea worth nuancing better. I see what I mean. I just don't understand why the definition provided cannot exha...
by bahman
Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:31 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: We cannot have a relationship with God
Replies: 182
Views: 13214

Re: We cannot have a relationship with God

How about addressing any of this (which is one of the reasons why I prefer chatting--it's less easy to just ignore stuff:) Which basically comes down to whether you're counting sameness vs change (a) as an issue of something "with respect to itself" only, or (b) a la relations (in a broader ontolog...
by bahman
Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:04 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Paradox of irreducibility
Replies: 78
Views: 6589

Re: Paradox of irreducibility

Yeah, it's just a logical possibility (via it not being logically impossible, which would be the case were we able to disprove it) From empirical point of view we know that things exist. So that means that things could pop in the universe. We don't however experience that a being, human for example...
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:25 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Paradox of irreducibility
Replies: 78
Views: 6589

Re: Paradox of irreducibility

Yeah, it's just a logical possibility (via it not being logically impossible, which would be the case were we able to disprove it) From empirical point of view we know that things exist. So that means that things could pop in the universe. We don't however experience that a being, human for example...
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:15 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The concept of God is incoherent
Replies: 237
Views: 18168

Re: The concept of God is incoherent

Dontaskme wrote: Thanks....so a person isn't responsible for the act of creation...and the person is defined as a being.
A person, God, cannot decide and create hence the concept of creation and God are false.
Dontaskme wrote: And that being decides and acts.

So now you have to define ''being''?
A being is.
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:03 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The concept of God is incoherent
Replies: 237
Views: 18168

Re: The concept of God is incoherent

If there is a problem with acting and deciding in the timelessness, then there must be one acting and deciding in time ? who is that one? There is no other option. We cannot have timeless God and we cannot have temporal God (eternal: no beginning and no end). So the concept of creation is false. An...
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:59 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Time does not exist.
Replies: 547
Views: 40473

Re: Time does not exist.

HexHammer wrote: :roll:
What does this mean?
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:57 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Time does not exist.
Replies: 547
Views: 40473

Re: Time does not exist.

Why would we say that it's not motion? Because we can observe/experience motions directly so it is easy to measure relative motion which is related to concept of time. Especially if saying so leads us to saying something absurd like "It doesn't exist"? Time does not exist objectively meaning that i...
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:47 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The concept of God is incoherent
Replies: 237
Views: 18168

Re: The concept of God is incoherent

What you asked to prove are my premises: (1) God is the creator, (2) God is timeless and (3) God is a person (can decide and act). In short, we just showed that there is a problem in the timelessness, the act of creation and decision. If there is a problem with acting and deciding in the timelessne...
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:44 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The concept of God is incoherent
Replies: 237
Views: 18168

Re: The concept of God is incoherent

So who is deciding and acting? Is it being or a person ? ...is a person a being...or is being a person? You mentioned two things here...person and being...which one of those two things (being/person) is doing the deciding and acting? We only showed that the act of creation is impossible by a person...
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:33 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The concept of God is incoherent
Replies: 237
Views: 18168

Re: The concept of God is incoherent

Aquinas believed that God interacted with people--for example, he believed that God answered prayers. That wouldn't be possible under your views. He believed that God answer all prayers in one eternal act. Creation to him is simply a block universe, all state of creation is known by God. The proble...
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:28 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Paradox of irreducibility
Replies: 78
Views: 6589

Re: Paradox of irreducibility

Terrapin Station wrote: ...Nothing logically precludes things simply popping in and out of existence.
Well, I think we cannot prove or disprove this. I need to think about this.
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:15 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The concept of God is incoherent
Replies: 237
Views: 18168

Re: The concept of God is incoherent

Bahman, so when you say that God is "timeless," are you saying that you're referring to the concept more or less in the vein of Aquinas' views for example? Because Aquinas' views are quite different than a lot of what you've been expressing. Timeless to me is absence of relative motion or time. It ...
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:07 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The concept of God is incoherent
Replies: 237
Views: 18168

Re: The concept of God is incoherent

I just argue that the concept of a being/thing who could create and be a person at the same time is incoherent. So here you are saying that God created the universe and is not a person. But a person exists? ...is that right? If so, who created the person? Simply, I claim that God, the creator, cann...
by bahman
Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:04 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The concept of God is incoherent
Replies: 237
Views: 18168

Re: The concept of God is incoherent

You must provide proof that God exists before you can assert it in the first place. I'm not asserting it you are so you should provide the answer to my question. Where does the notion of God come from? You said...God created the universe by His Divine act. How do you know that? ...you answer it sin...