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by FlashDangerpants
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:28 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Ownness (sumthin' short, pithy, and raw; red meat)
Replies: 235
Views: 2528

Re: flash

flowery poetry you didn't like it? I think it's cool. I'm sure it's very lovely. But it's just a way of hiding that cannot describe the thing at all, so you must vaguely allude to it. Just as you are now refusing to digress whether that is because this sense of self-ownership is so basic and fundam...
by FlashDangerpants
Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:50 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Moral Fact Deniers Has Cognitive Deficit in Morality
Replies: 84
Views: 932

Re: Moral Fact Deniers Has Cognitive Deficit in Morality

FFS Veriats, are you still doing this stupid debate? how have you not realised yet that if the dude you are paraphrasing had actually made the argument you describe, we would all know about it already. Such a shocking argument as "everyone who doesn't agree with me is brain damaged" would make him ...
by FlashDangerpants
Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:47 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Ownness (sumthin' short, pithy, and raw; red meat)
Replies: 235
Views: 2528

Re: Flash

also, if your moral "facts" can't account for it being morally wrong to torture an animal for pleasure, you failed real hard. ...the killing of living non-humans for food and other positive reasons are not a moral issue.... This is why your description of morality does not cover the actual thing, i...
by FlashDangerpants
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:58 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: When it comes to “public entertainment,” how far is too far?
Replies: 8
Views: 120

Re: When it comes to “public entertainment,” how far is too far?

However, setting all of that aside, you completely ignored the point (or the question) I asked in the OP. And that is, at least from a moral standpoint (assuming you have a moral standpoint), do you think there is a limit to how far a society should allow its publicly shared hedonistic cravings to ...
by FlashDangerpants
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:41 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: When it comes to “public entertainment,” how far is too far?
Replies: 8
Views: 120

Re: When it comes to “public entertainment,” how far is too far?

Good points, FD, to be sure. Notwithstanding the current iteration of decadent appetite for entertainment, like in other times, is an audience-driven matter rather than a primarily entertainer-driven one. I agree that the tv programming back in the day was despicable. Don’t forget about the cartoon...
by FlashDangerpants
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:00 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: When it comes to “public entertainment,” how far is too far?
Replies: 8
Views: 120

Re: When it comes to “public entertainment,” how far is too far?

You guys are completely nuts. This conversation is nothing but moral panic and rose tinted nostalgia . Also historical ignorance... Rome was a bloodthirsty empire that thrived and expanded on an orgy of violence. Then it became Christian and the Church attempted to crack down on all the lascivious p...
by FlashDangerpants
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:05 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Moral Fact Deniers Has Cognitive Deficit in Morality
Replies: 84
Views: 932

Re: Moral Fact Deniers Has Cognitive Deficit in Morality

FFS Veriats, are you still doing this stupid debate? how have you not realised yet that if the dude you are paraphrasing had actually made the argument you describe, we would all know about it already. Such a shocking argument as "everyone who doesn't agree with me is brain damaged" would make him t...
by FlashDangerpants
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:00 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Ownness (sumthin' short, pithy, and raw; red meat)
Replies: 235
Views: 2528

Re: Flash

You insisted humans must be kind and compassionate to living non-humans , e.g. dogs, etc, but how can you reconcile this to people having to kill living non-humans for food? I simply note that we have this language of morality about right and wrong and shit like that. If you want to make a set of f...
by FlashDangerpants
Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:14 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Ownness (sumthin' short, pithy, and raw; red meat)
Replies: 235
Views: 2528

Re: flash

you have no reason to believe that dolphins and apes don't share in that, or dogs and kittens. Dolphins & apes may very well be persons. Each has the complexity and the structure for personhood. Dogs & cats: not so much. Humans are the only animals we know are persons. Humans have a certain complex...
by FlashDangerpants
Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:05 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Ownness (sumthin' short, pithy, and raw; red meat)
Replies: 235
Views: 2528

Re: flash (my ipad is partially recharged, so: I'm back)

The dog gets hungry, and feels the hunger, which is real, but not to anybody else man or dog. The fetus doesn't, not yet, not for quite a long time. I brought up hunger as an example of a fact that isn't obvious, not as proof or evidence of personhood. The individual sovereignty thing is really mor...
by FlashDangerpants
Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:05 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Ownness (sumthin' short, pithy, and raw; red meat)
Replies: 235
Views: 2528

Re: flash (my ipad is partially recharged, so: I'm back)

The dog gets hungry, and feels the hunger, which is real, but not to anybody else man or dog. The fetus doesn't, not yet, not for quite a long time. I brought up hunger as an example of a fact that isn't obvious, not as proof or evidence of personhood. The individual sovereignty thing is really mor...
by FlashDangerpants
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:19 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Ownness (sumthin' short, pithy, and raw; red meat)
Replies: 235
Views: 2528

Re: flash (my ipad is partially recharged, so: I'm back)

and the way in which a 12 week fetus owns itself that a dog doesn't is? As I say up-thread... All the biological machinery we associate with a human person is in place in lil fetus-person by week 12 of pregnancy. Before that we have complexifyin' human cells. Full disclosure: as a deist I don't thi...
by FlashDangerpants
Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:03 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Ownness (sumthin' short, pithy, and raw; red meat)
Replies: 235
Views: 2528

Re: flash

Punching your dog is wrong, morally wrong. Nope. It's just a dumb animal. Your abuse of it may be rooted in a mental illness, but it ain't a moral issue. Punching your wife is wrong, morally so. Absolutely it's morally wrong. Your wife is a person, she belongs to herself, you ought not treat her li...
by FlashDangerpants
Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:43 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Ownness (sumthin' short, pithy, and raw; red meat)
Replies: 235
Views: 2528

Re: uwot

Flash wrote: In the nromal way we think and talk about what is right or wrong and moral or immoral...lecture, lecture, lecture...it's a bit French and post-thingy but might work for you. See, uwot? Tongue-cluckin' & tsk-tsking . No, your claims have a set of serious problems that you are avoiding. ...
by FlashDangerpants
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:03 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Ownness (sumthin' short, pithy, and raw; red meat)
Replies: 235
Views: 2528

Re: Flash

Are you explicitly comfortable with eliminating all of that part of our moral discourse in order to preserve your argument? Not tryin' to preserve anything. My position is clear, solid, and coherent. And: I'm not gonna be bulldogged into muddying the waters by declaring a mental deficiency as immor...