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by wtf
Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:13 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

That's valid. "Cause" means that the effect cannot happen until after the cause does. So that's like 5 and 4. But the cause at 4 can't happen until ITS cause happens. That's like 4 and 3....and so on. It's perfectly easy. Just do it. Go on. :wink: So that I can better understand your argument, supp...
by wtf
Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:36 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Why God cannot be understood totally by us?
Replies: 42
Views: 4065

Re: Why God cannot be understood totally by us?

The God that can be totally understood is not the God.

-- The Tao

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao
by wtf
Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:30 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

... Hilbert's hotel is just a simple story intended to illustrate the fact that an infinite set can be put into 1-1 correspondence with a proper subset of itself. ... As a poor philosopher of science and mathematics and an even poorer mathematician this always gobsmacks me. Galileo made the same ob...
by wtf
Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:14 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

... Would you have preferred this: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.0059.pdf It's a more complete treatment of the subject, but assumes a certain degree of familiarity with concepts. ... It appears obvious that IC is a Craigite but he might have some insight so I look forward to him rebutting this - http...
by wtf
Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:36 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

Would you have preferred this: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.0059.pdf It's a more complete treatment of the subject, but assumes a certain degree of familiarity with concepts. That wouldn't help at all, because you still haven't said (because you don't actually know) what Hilbert said that supports th...
by wtf
Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:21 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

Here's something you could look at on Hilbert. It's quick and fun. You linked to a vid about the Hilbert hotel? Man you are embarrassing yourself now. Why not just admit that you name-checked Hilbert but you don't actually know anything he said that could back up the point you were making, and in f...
by wtf
Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:20 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

What does "causes are actual" mean? You have evidence for that claim? Or even an interpretation of the words that makes the statement sensible? Ah. I thought so. I figured out afterward that you were unfamiliar with the phrase "actual infinite." My apologies...I thought you were aware of the term. ...
by wtf
Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:07 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

Not an inch. You didn't read carefully. The talk from the start has been about "causes," which are actual. What does "causes are actual" mean? You have evidence for that claim? Or even an interpretation of the words that makes the statement sensible? You're not aware of the difference between a con...
by wtf
Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:05 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

No, actually. What you have done is to create only a conceptual (i.e. purely imaginative, theoretical, non-existent) regress -- and nobody, least of all me, ever said such were impossible. LOL. Moving the goalposts. You: You can't have an infinite regress of causes. Me: Yes, watch this. You: Oh I d...
by wtf
Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:04 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

I trust that clarifies the case I'm pointing out. Not in the least. You want to be able to make the claim that "Every event has a cause." Ok. Take the integers again and let's say they represent events, and each integer's immediate predecessor is its "cause." Now -47, does that have a cause? Yes, -...
by wtf
Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:06 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

You're welcome. It was a very poorly kept 'secret': I'm quite frank about it. It would be more clear to me if you stated your position, since I haven't read the entire thread in detail. I did find this near the beginning. If the universe were an infinite regress of causes, and Entropy is a persiste...
by wtf
Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:30 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

Is that any clearer? I hope so. If not, feel free to ask me to try again. Not really. I never used the word infinity, you did. I simply pointed to the familiar mathematical example of the integers. They're discrete, one follows another, and there's no first one. I don't see how entropy applies, sin...
by wtf
Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:55 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments
Replies: 486
Views: 38300

Re: A Good Infinite Regress Step of Some Cosmological Arguments

There is NO start. By definition, 'If every action causes a re-action', then there is no beginning, and there was no end, obviously. Actually, since every "action" is by definition a discrete event, you've just made it necessary for there to be a beginning. As for the end, entropy tells us there wi...
by wtf
Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:54 pm
Forum: Aesthetics
Topic: Would altering a work of art to suit public taste improve it or make it worse?
Replies: 60
Views: 13481

Re: Would altering a work of art to suit public taste improve it or make it worse?

When you say art belongs to the world, are you saying you don't believe in copyright or intellectual property laws? So I can sell copies of Microsoft Windows and if MS sues me I can say, "Art belongs to the world!" Or apply the same argument to a painting, a photograph, or a novel. Do you believe in...
by wtf
Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:27 am
Forum: Philosophy of Language
Topic: Language Negation and Randomness
Replies: 26
Views: 3552

Re: Language Negation and Randomness

This all seems a long way from ... I keep running into phrases like this in the study of probability: "Clearly nothing can be said about (some set)...." ...implying it is random. I wonder if randomness can be defined somehow as a set expressing an arrangement about which nothing can be said. I tosse...