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by wtf
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:42 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

It is designed as a universal 'orientation' system that tends away from all suffering and towards all knowledge. If applied to the spiral, the pentagram has two orientation "poles" with each being some configuration between the two: knowledge and belief-based ignorance. This is beyond my pay grade....
by wtf
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:26 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

I've had a bit of a rough day so I am not on my best game choosing my words - if you pick up on any irritability/crankiness in my tone - it's not you.... No worries. You wrote a long post and I'll only respond to a little of it today, but hopefully it's the heart of the matter. So it seems to me th...
by wtf
Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:30 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

No, as I don't want or expect anyone here to take me seriously - I don't even! Ah. Sorry I took the trouble then. I am aware of Euler's but do not see e^(2πi)=1 e^(2pi i) = cos 2pi + i sin 2pi = 1 + 0 = 1. If x is a real number, the function f(x) = e^(ix) wraps the real line around the unit circle ...
by wtf
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:30 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

I figured you'd click on the blue up-arrow next to the quote which will take you to the relevant post (so i don't spam the thread again). Duh, got it!! Will check it out. But every time you write down a number - whether to paper; or to memory - you are handling a representation. Of course. But the ...
by wtf
Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:56 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

I'm afraid I see no polynomial with integer coefficients here. Do you? Honestly yes but that is because I do not abide by the restrictions of what a 'polynomial' is (or can be) according to mathematical orthodoxy. Ok that's fine. But then do this. Say, "A standard polynomial is such and so. But for...
by wtf
Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:48 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

The relevant quote is in this post: (...) You seem to have omitted the quote. And so the implication seems to be exactly that. Representation (base, choice in precision) matters. In practice, if not conceptually or symbolically. It could never matter in the question of whether a real number is comp...
by wtf
Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:38 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

π actually can be the solution to a polynomial with integer coefficients: https://i.postimg.cc/0QtRWvtn/base-of-pi.jpg I'm afraid I see no polynomial with integer coefficients here. Do you? "2π" does not arithmetically equal '1', True. If you don't mean equality you should try to say what it is you...
by wtf
Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:35 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

Thanks for the article, looks good. I know a bit about constructive math. Not only from the computational viewpoint but also from higher category theory and topos theory in abstract algebra. Non-constructivism is all the rage these days. It's good to remember that foundations aren't cage matches to...
by wtf
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:49 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

Yes it's the standard definition in the computer science curriculum. And that would be dandy, but I side-stepped academia. I am an autodidact. I understand computer science (engineering?) by having done it for 20+ years. Now that I am reading the theory, I am joining all the dots to the practice. Ok.
by wtf
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:41 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

Didn't you claim to have read Turing 1936? So when you say you don't know the standard definition of a computable number, you are, shall we say, dissembling. I have read it. You have quoted it. I have that definition committed to memory. In 2020 is that still what you refer to as "the standard defi...
by wtf
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:35 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

Skepdick wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:28 am
ow what the "standard definitions"; or what my "definitions" (axioms) are.
Didn't you claim to have read Turing 1936? So when you say you don't know the standard definition of a computable number, you are, shall we say, dissembling.
by wtf
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:13 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

You serious? Am I genuinely misconstruing you? Ok. My mistake then. And I understand why. Your prior is skewed, and that's totally my fault. I'm simply using the standard definitions. Instead of you saying, "Pi isn't computable because it never ends," why not just say, "Pi is Turing-computable but ...
by wtf
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:08 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

Skepdick wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:06 am
It was not my intent to get a rise out of you. For all it's worth - sorry.

Carry on with your life, I appreciate you taking the time.
You serious? Am I genuinely misconstruing you? Ok. My mistake then.
by wtf
Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:03 am
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

Skepdick wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:55 pm
Dude, quit being an asshole.
Uh, yeah, fuck you too. Congratulations. You hijacked the thread and got a rise out of me. Pretty clever to start out with sensible mathematical questions about algebraic numbers, then subtly change the subject. Troll grate A-. Not bad at all.
by wtf
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:38 pm
Forum: Logic and Philosophy of Mathematics
Topic: √5 and Phi
Replies: 113
Views: 1082

Re: √5 and Phi

Skepdick wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:28 pm
Yes. This is an astute observation.
I'll let you ass toot on your own. And shame on you for invoking the good name of the late Ed Nelson to promote your crackpot ideas.