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by Greylorn Ell
Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:21 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

Since there is no moderator support for getting rid of trolls and sandbaggers, I'm abandoning this thread and the entire PNow forum. Have at one another, jackasses and nitwits. Between the lot of you, you possess all the philosophical acumen and half the intelligence of a bag of houseflies. GL
by Greylorn Ell
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:22 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

Greylorn Ell wrote: Belinda, Your's is a curious comment, given that I've used my limited linguistic skills to try to write about a reasonable version of God, but cannot get it done because of the sandbaggers like yourself, whom you seem to cherish. What do you think? Should I continue, or move els...
by Greylorn Ell
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:36 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

Immanuel Can wrote: From the point of view of eternity there may be order which is characterised by causality. You or I cannot know. Since you refer to epistemology, we'll have to establish what you mean by "know" in the above sentence. Do you mean "know" experientially, deductively, absolutely, pr...
by Greylorn Ell
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:26 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

Yes, I will leave. I reflected what I thought you meant and you confirmed I understood from the first post. I was contributing with sincerity and on topic. But NOW you've just resorted to blatant insults for contributing 'bullshit'!? If you want any respect for your views, you can't BULLY those you...
by Greylorn Ell
Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:23 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

Immanuel Can, I am not a good illustration of eternal order. When I copy David Hume and claim that all we can inductively know is constant conjunction of events I 'm making an epistemological , not an ontological, claim . From the point of view of eternity there may be order which is characterised ...
by Greylorn Ell
Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:27 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

Unfortunately, if I am correct about what the OP is asserting, the LOGIC alone suffices to remove the Big Bang theory and with priority to any discounting of its alternative Steady State model. It IS political because of this very factor. I suggest it doesn't. Even if right, the BB theory is not re...
by Greylorn Ell
Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:22 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

A Steady State model can potentially remove any need for even a Deistic god. When governments or other organizations support science, it cannot do so without caution to insulting religion as an institute itself. You are correct: a steady-state model, if proved true, would cast doubt on the necessit...
by Greylorn Ell
Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:13 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

Scott, Actually, my concerns come as much from the philosophical level as from the technical/implementation level. Atomic physics is goofy, but that is the consequence of other problems that would be silly to try to explain on this forum. My issue is with cosmology. It is not a function of any scie...
by Greylorn Ell
Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:07 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

No one really knows what came before the Big Bang. Hawking tells us that the events before the Big Bang have no observational consequence.Events before the Big Bang are not defined so we cannot measure them. Screw Hawking. That nit could not accept the real fundamentals behind reality. Get your min...
by Greylorn Ell
Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:40 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

No one really knows what came before the Big Bang. Hawking tells us that the events before the Big Bang have no observational consequence.Events before the Big Bang are not defined so we cannot measure them. Screw Hawking. That nit could not accept the real fundamentals behind reality. Get your min...
by Greylorn Ell
Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:38 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

You've never studied Calculus! :lol: That is all about 'limits' to zero, infinities or unit approaches. Actually, it has nothing whatsoever to do with that. We're talking about causal chains, not zero points or Zeno's paradox. A causal chain is a chain of events in which an event (call it "event X"...
by Greylorn Ell
Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:23 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

No one really knows what came before the Big Bang. Hawking tells us that the events before the Big Bang have no observational consequence.Events before the Big Bang are not defined so we cannot measure them. Screw Hawking. That nit could not accept the real fundamentals behind reality. Get your min...
by Greylorn Ell
Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:17 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

I might also suggest that Ockham would then dispense of the proposal for the necessity of two entities at the creation, because we'd be multiplying explanations beyond the necessary there. Really, if we want a final answer, we're looking for a single Uncaused Cause, or we once again simply have inf...
by Greylorn Ell
Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:42 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

I might also suggest that Ockham would then dispense of the proposal for the necessity of two entities at the creation, because we'd be multiplying explanations beyond the necessary there. Really, if we want a final answer, we're looking for a single Uncaused Cause, or we once again simply have inf...
by Greylorn Ell
Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:01 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: The Wrong God
Replies: 309
Views: 6643

Re: The Wrong God

I.C. Written like a true monotheist, but a particularly intelligent one. Thank you. You're very gracious. I'd like to continue this conversation with you, and believe that I can address the excellent points you've made by offering more details about the specifics of an alternative theory. That woul...