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by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 6:47 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3627
Views: 125958

Re: What could make morality objective?

The expression the absolute truth value of all facts is a complete muddle Very simply : we cannot know the future So we therefore dont know which facts that are true now will not be true at some other point in time New knowledge is waiting to be discovered but until it is discovered we wont actuall...
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 6:07 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3627
Views: 125958

Re: What could make morality objective?

A true factual assertion - a fact - cant be false by definition We are but finite beings with finite ability and so can not possibly know the absolute truth value of all facts We therefore have zero choice but to operate from within this limitation because there is nothing else to do We do not have...
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 5:57 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3627
Views: 125958

Re: What could make morality objective?

If a fact is a feature of reality - a state of affairs - as philosophers tend to use the word fact - then of course its independent from opinion and has nothing to do with the mind All facts have to be demonstrated otherwise they cannot be accepted as facts even if they are true And that cannot be ...
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 5:45 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3627
Views: 125958

Re: What could make morality objective?

I think it makes no sense to call mathematical and logical assertions true / false or to think of them as facts . A true factual assertion is one that could be false if reality is or was different . Mathematical and logical assertions are about linguistic consistency not reality which isnt linguist...
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 5:27 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3627
Views: 125958

Re: What could make morality objective?

If a fact - a true factual assertion - is true independent from opinion its truth cannot depend on agreement universal or otherwise A fact has to be agreed upon and so cannot be free from opinion but the opinion has to be the highest degree of rigour and consensus There is no such thing as a mind i...
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 5:17 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3627
Views: 125958

Re: What could make morality objective?

What we call a fact is either a feature of reality or a description of a feature of reality There are facts which do not pertain to reality at all such as mathematical facts for example Specifically those that are outside the laws of physics that describe the observable Universe A simple fact such ...
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 5:04 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3627
Views: 125958

Re: What could make morality objective?

What we mean when we say a factual assertion is true is what constitutes what we call truth - and there is no other court of appeal . And when we say a factual assertion is true or false we mean that its truth value is independent from opinion - and therefore nothing to do with agreement in opinion...
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 4:30 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: How can I know right from wrong?
Replies: 18
Views: 191

Re: How can I know right from wrong?

Is it possible that there is just One right and wrong which we are ALL intuitive to and which comes the exact same conscience that we ALL share but which we all refer to as our own conscience ? That is possible but I think free will might be a problem here as we value our independence and like to t...
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 4:10 pm
Forum: Gender Philosophy
Topic: Is marriage / relationships an oppressive gender role for men and women?
Replies: 15
Views: 1029

Re: Is marriage / relationships an oppressive gender role for men and women?

What would you replace marriage with ? Not have marriage vows valid until death because too many changes to a couple can happen over the course of their life time Make marriage short term contracts that are simply not renewed if the couple decide they dont want to be married any more And so no divo...
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 3:53 pm
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Hello everyone
Replies: 6
Views: 79

Re: Hello everyone


Hello stacie and welcome to the forum I hope you like it here
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 3:41 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3627
Views: 125958

Re: What could make morality objective?


And so one and one is two is true for all time

But I like chicken is only true in my lifetime
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 3:34 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3627
Views: 125958

Re: What could make morality objective?


For example to say one and one is two is not the same as to say I like chicken

Because one and one will ALWAYS be two but I may not ALWAYS like chicken
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 3:27 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3627
Views: 125958

Re: What could make morality objective?

Truth is truth This is too simplistic a statement because it implies that all truth is set in stone But like many things it exists on a spectrum and so rather than black and white there are many shades of grey This is necessary to emphasise the difference between objective and subjective truth whic...
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 2:29 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: God given rights. Do you really have any?
Replies: 9
Views: 127

Re: God given rights. Do you really have any?

When one is born they absolutely have a right to life because it is automatically granted to all human beings
And one has all the other fundamental human rights too on point of birth as laid down by the United Nations
by surreptitious57
Thu May 28, 2020 1:51 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3627
Views: 125958

Re: What could make morality objective?

if something is true does that carry the implication that its also a fact or would you say that there are some truths which are not facts ? A fact is a statement of objective truth so by default has to be true Subjective truth is only true for the one holding it so is not as objective because it ca...