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That should please you. 🙂 I'm gratified, actually. Talking with you has exposed to me the right route for debunking Subjectivism. And that, for me, has been the whole value of the debate in the first place: to improve our mutual understanding of the situation. We can both see Subjectivism's Achille...

I don't see what meaning God gives to anything. Because it means there's an independent Center of meaning. Things are right and wrong not because people think they are, but because they actually are, in their relation to the Center. That makes objectivity possible. Absent God as the Center, there's...

There are many interpretations of the divine. There might be many imaginings of who Gary Childress is. But only one will still be right. Are you sure only one interpretation of who I am is "right"? Whether it is or not will have zero impact on who Gary Childress actually, objectively is. ...

It doesn't matter what you say, it won't change anything. Actually, belief in Subjectivism won't change any facts. That's the truth. And now it's obvious you aren't really a Subjectivist at all. That should please you. 🙂 I'm gratified, actually. Talking with you has exposed to me the right route fo...

Or what if there is no God at all? Then what? Easy. Then all morality is fake. Nihilism follows. I don't see what meaning God gives to anything. Because it means there's an independent Center of meaning. Things are right and wrong not because people think they are, but because they actually are, in...

Yes, I do sometimes behave as if my moral opinions are a matter of objective truth, I'm only human. If everybody does it, then everybody knows Subjectivism is false. They just don't perhaps know WHY it is false. But they know. And even if they can't say, they ACT as if it's false, anyway. It doesn'...

I'm not as distracted by the bible as you,... "Distracted"? You asked me a question of Biblical import, one that only God could answer. There are many interpretations of the divine. There might be many imaginings of who Gary Childress is. But only one will still be right. Or what if there...

Okay, so where do you suppose I'm getting my objective morality from? I think morality is objective. That means it exists independent of your assessment. Right will be right, even when you don't know it; and wrong will be wrong, whether you know it or not. But your appeal to Moral Objectivity is de...

You just can't help yourself, can you? You are a Moral Objectivist, even while pleading you're not. Okay, so where do you suppose I'm getting my objective morality from? I think morality is objective. That means it exists independent of your assessment. Right will be right, even when you don't know...

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:08 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 2:54 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:41 am From your reading, when do you imagine souls are created?

We are not told.

I'm not as distracted by the bible as you,...

"Distracted"? You asked me a question of Biblical import, one that only God could answer. So if you've got a better source of information, what is it?

Just obnoxious. Are you saying only "I feel obnoxiousness," or "He IS obnoxious"? Both. Then you're admitting to meaning the second one, and the first is irrelevant. You're admitting that you are making an objective judgment. It has to be, if you have any reasonable expectation ...

Just obnoxious. It has to be one or the other. There's no third option. So which is it? Just obnoxious. Are you saying only "I feel obnoxiousness," or "He IS obnoxious"? And not even willing to have your opinion known, it would seem. Quite the contrary: I'm not renowned for my r...

He's an obnoxious person, and if you can't see that for yourself, it certainly throws your judgement into question. Objectively "obnoxious," or only "subjectively"? Just obnoxious. It has to be one or the other. There's no third option. So which is it? So you find his "fait...

Couldn’t an amoral narcissist qualify to be the next Hitler? There are nothing but amoral narcissists in the uni-party in Washington these days, and they're all little Hitlers in their own way. What gives you reason to think that Trump would be especially bad in that respect? Not especially bad, bu...

If you don't object to him as a human being, then you aren't really going to understand my objections to him. I didn't say, either way. But it's not relevant. You're a Subjectivist. You say you believe that morality is made up by the various "subjects" who hold to it. So what's your evide...