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- Sat May 04, 2024 2:36 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Our moral opinions, particularly strongly held ones, feel self evidently true. It is only when we analyse the matter that it becomes clear that morality is just human sentiment, and I don't think that most people analyse the matter. Right. But sentiment doesn't stand the test. "I feel I don't ...
- Sat May 04, 2024 12:15 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Even so, I think I will follow my whims, just in case they turn out to be objectively true. 🙂 That's what most people seem to do...to say they disbelieve in objective moral truths, and that morality is all subjective, but then act as if their own beliefs are mostly objectively true anyway. 8) I don...
- Fri May 03, 2024 11:07 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
- Views: 887465
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
So the question is, do we follow our own arbitrary whims, or those of a fictitious god? 🤔 If He's fictitious, it doesn't matter what you follow. There's no obligation to follow anything...not even your own whims. Even so, I think I will follow my whims, just in case they turn out to be objectively ...
- Fri May 03, 2024 9:41 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
- Views: 887465
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Even the inventor of a subjective axiom is not morally obligated to follow it. So it isn't, in any intelligible sense at all, a "moral" edict. It's simply an arbitrary whim...a twinge. So the question is, do we follow our own arbitrary whims, or those of a fictitious god? 🤔 If He's fictit...
- Fri May 03, 2024 9:23 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
- Views: 887465
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
For objective morality, your agreement is not required. Moral truth will proceed, regardless of you. Proceed to be ignored by those who don't happen to agree with it, and who may even have an alternative objective morality of their own, you mean? Well, they can ignore the truth, it's true...and alw...
- Fri May 03, 2024 8:33 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
As far as other people are concerned, you and I are in exactly the same position; we express our views, and they will either agree or disagree, and the mere fact that you might tell them you are speaking objective truth will make not a jot of difference. Unless it IS objective. And since we know th...
- Fri May 03, 2024 7:38 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 48
- Views: 762
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
Well, we're going to see about that.Harbal wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:34 pmThat's rich coming from someone who believes the Bible is literal truth.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:12 pmIronic. That's exactly why I don't bother with you...you're just never rational, it seems.
- Fri May 03, 2024 7:37 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
- Views: 887465
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
That applies to anyone without authority of some kind. My comment actually has zero to do with authority. It has to do with rationality. Your Subjectivism will not rationalize any explanation to the effect that anybody else should be concerned about what you think. That's definitional, since you be...
- Fri May 03, 2024 7:12 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 48
- Views: 762
- Fri May 03, 2024 7:11 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
- Views: 887465
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
You've required us to assume that morality is subjective, and that having any authority behind morality makes it somehow not moral. But that's your key weakness: you need to prove those suppositions, not just to tell us to assume them, and then build your case out of them. Good luck with that. I've...
- Fri May 03, 2024 7:01 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
- Views: 887465
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
You've required us to assume that morality is subjective, and that having any authority behind morality makes it somehow not moral. But that's your key weakness: you need to prove those suppositions, not just to tell us to assume them, and then build your case out of them. Good luck with that. I've...
- Fri May 03, 2024 6:59 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
- Views: 887465
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
And what you say God knows about right or wrong has zero impact on what I think is right or wrong. Nobody has to be concerned about what you think is right or wrong -- remember? That applies to anyone without authority of some kind. My comment actually has zero to do with authority. It has to do wi...
- Fri May 03, 2024 4:04 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
- Views: 887465
- Fri May 03, 2024 1:42 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
- Views: 887465
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Are you sure only one interpretation of who I am is "right"? Whether it is or not will have zero impact on who Gary Childress actually, objectively is. If I'm wrong in my opinion, the fault lies with me, not with the objective truth about Gary. OK. So who am I "objectively"? I d...
- Fri May 03, 2024 1:36 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9707
- Views: 887465
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Whether you "think" X or Y is right or wrong has zero impact on what God knows is actually right or wrong in a given situation. And what you say God knows about right or wrong has zero impact on what I think is right or wrong. Nobody has to be concerned about what you think is right or wr...