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Morality isn’t necessary. Crime and Punishment refutes that quip. It's about the effects of bucking inherent morality. What kind of morality did the ancient humans need? There's no ancient society that doesn't have a conception of morality. Just like there are no ancient Atheist societies, and no a...

We know that everybody has subjective moral opinions, so the only question is, is there any other kind of morality; It isn't, actually. Because you haven't established that any of those opinions are actually "moral." I know for sure that I have feelings about right and wrong, and that is ...

No God, no morality. If you think otherwise, just show what I asked you to show: that you can justify one moral precept. Just one . Any one , with no reference to objectivity. We know that everybody has subjective moral opinions, so the only question is, is there any other kind of morality; It isn'...

If God does not exist objective morality may still have a basis other than God. I'd actually like to see somebody do that. People talk about it, but they never demonstrate it. Take any precept you like. Let's say...a permission to do something we'd all concede is "good," such as, say: Sav...

I don't really care if you change your mind or not. I suspect you're not going to go on a murder spree any time soon, (not that you'd last 10 minutes in a fight with a real psychopath probably). :D Well, this is a philosophy site, Gary, as you know. And the idea is that people will give logic and e...

If God does not exist objective morality may still have a basis other than God. I'd actually like to see somebody do that. People talk about it, but they never demonstrate it. Take any precept you like. Let's say...a permission to do something we'd all concede is "good," such as, say: Sav...

No there isn't. Yeah, there is. But you have to allow the evidence to be recognized as evidence. If you just gratuitiously insist there's none, and never look, then not surprisingly, you'll remain convinced of that. But the deficiency won't be in the evidence. Then all I will say is that I have nev...

It looks like the discussion now hinges on whether God exists. If there is no God, there’s no morality. Since there’s no such thing as objective morality and furthermore subjective morality is subjective and worthless, God is either worthless or doesn’t exist. IC's claims about morality are inextri...

Of course they can. Being moral makes the world more habitable, unless you want to fortify your home against your neighbors walking in and stealing from you. Morality holds society together. That is why you should be moral. Nietzsche had an answer for that one, too. Yes, it can be useful for other ...

There is no rationality by which it can be shown that God is an objective reality. None you will admit, anyway. But yeah, there is. No there isn't. Yeah, there is. But you have to allow the evidence to be recognized as evidence. If you just gratuitiously insist there's none, and never look, then no...

Stating that morality isn't possible without God is an erroneous statement. It does not follow that if there is no God then one cannot be moral. Nobody has said that. I certainly haven't. An Atheist can arbitrarily to act in many ways we consider conventionally "moral." So let's you and I...

Saying they are does not make it so. No, rationality makes it so. There is no rationality by which it can be shown that God is an objective reality. None you will admit, anyway. But yeah, there is. It works because human beings have a sense of right and wrong, That they have a "sense" doe...

You're not arguing for morality, you're using morality to argue for God. That's not an either-or, Gary; it's a both-and. Both God and morality are objective realities, the latter being entirely dependent on the former. Saying they are does not make it so. No, rationality makes it so. There is no ra...

It's an interesting sight to see a person who professes belief in God trying to demolish morality in the name of insisting that his God must necessarily exist. :D I'm not "demolishing morality," Gary. I believe in morality, and I'm arguing for it. It's Subjectivism that makes morality imp...

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