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Was my response to you not worthy of a comment from you? Your entire question in reply to my post was included above. My response is also included above. What other "response" did you have in mind? :shock: Look back to my earlier post where I provided a list of reasons why I think Trump i...

After 20k+ comments, his best argument seems to be that morality can't be subjective, because only objective morality can be morality. No. The argument is that Moral Subjectivism fails to deliver any information at all. It fails on its own two legs, so to speak, and needs no input from Objectivism ...

But the "we" you speak of seem to be very few; at least on this forum. Agreed. Most here seem to be stupified by the smoke-and-mirrors of Subjectivism. That's because they WANT to believe that there's an alternative "morality" to Objectivism, and they WANT to believe they have n...

After 20k+ comments, his best argument seems to be that morality can't be subjective, because only objective morality can be morality. No. The argument is that Moral Subjectivism fails to deliver any information at all. It fails on its own two legs, so to speak, and needs no input from Objectivism ...

Not especially bad, but especially qualified in that respect. You’ll agree that his supporters believe he is especially good, not bad. I'm not agreeing to any statements others try to script for me. I can make my own claims, thanks. But you have alleged that the danger is an "amoral narcissist...

I don't doubt that a lot of people do think of morality, or certain aspects of it, as something that corresponds to some sort of truth, but the topic is about what morality actually is, not what some people happen to believe it is. Well, we know what it isn't. It isn't "subjective." But t...

Uummm... you've got it backwards. Since we all observe an extremely wide variety of individual moral codes (and ethical standards), identical, statistically, to other commonly agreed upon subjective subjects, it is those who believe in (a single) objectively optimal set of codes and standards who h...

Our moral opinions, particularly strongly held ones, feel self evidently true. It is only when we analyse the matter that it becomes clear that morality is just human sentiment, and I don't think that most people analyse the matter. Right. But sentiment doesn't stand the test. "I feel I don't ...

Even so, I think I will follow my whims, just in case they turn out to be objectively true. 🙂 That's what most people seem to do...to say they disbelieve in objective moral truths, and that morality is all subjective, but then act as if their own beliefs are mostly objectively true anyway. 8) I don...

So the question is, do we follow our own arbitrary whims, or those of a fictitious god? 🤔 If He's fictitious, it doesn't matter what you follow. There's no obligation to follow anything...not even your own whims. Even so, I think I will follow my whims, just in case they turn out to be objectively ...

Even the inventor of a subjective axiom is not morally obligated to follow it. So it isn't, in any intelligible sense at all, a "moral" edict. It's simply an arbitrary whim...a twinge. So the question is, do we follow our own arbitrary whims, or those of a fictitious god? 🤔 If He's fictit...

For objective morality, your agreement is not required. Moral truth will proceed, regardless of you. Proceed to be ignored by those who don't happen to agree with it, and who may even have an alternative objective morality of their own, you mean? Well, they can ignore the truth, it's true...and alw...

As far as other people are concerned, you and I are in exactly the same position; we express our views, and they will either agree or disagree, and the mere fact that you might tell them you are speaking objective truth will make not a jot of difference. Unless it IS objective. And since we know th...

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:34 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:12 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 10:23 am No one can make you reasonable.

Ironic. That's exactly why I don't bother with you...you're just never rational, it seems.

That's rich coming from someone who believes the Bible is literal truth.

Well, we're going to see about that.

That applies to anyone without authority of some kind. My comment actually has zero to do with authority. It has to do with rationality. Your Subjectivism will not rationalize any explanation to the effect that anybody else should be concerned about what you think. That's definitional, since you be...