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You say God knows everything that is going to happen, but that is only possible if the future is fixed. You're using a linear timeline. God isn't within time...He transcends it. As Isaiah says, he spans the entirety of time. You read it. You may not believe it, but that's how the Bible says it is.

Harbal and Bouwman seem able to understand the logical implications of the christian god's omnipotence and omniscience (pertaining to fate, freewill, possible universes, etc). IC, not so much Quite the contrary. Determinism is a problem for everybody. There are, after all, two forms of it: Theistic...

...what I "know" doesn't "coerce," because it doesn't "make" anything. That is in part because you are not God. Is it your supposition that God's kind of "knowing" is so different from yours that he "knows" things into existence? If it is the case t...

So is it possible for me to do something other than what God already knows I will do? No. It's possible for you to do various things God would prefer you didn't, and some He'd rather you do. But he knows what you're going to do, even when you don't yet know that. If what God knows will happen in th...

Well something must make me do whatever I end up doing. What do you suppose that something is? Ultimately, it's you. You have alternatives, and you choose between them. So is it possible for me to do something other than what God already knows I will do? No. It's possible for you to do various thin...

I didn't suggest he made me do anything, as you will see if you carefully read my question again. After which you could simply answer it, if you like. Well, your question was already answered: yes, God knows both all the alternatives among which you choose, and which choice you will make, but does ...

You have a go. I cannot make your argument for you. I see its falsity. If it can be done at all, it's you who has to justify your condemnation of others, while staying a subjectivist in so doing. As I assumed. You can see no reason to think it's morally wrong to allow undeserved suffering you could...

So he knows what the outcome of my choice will be once I have made the choice, but does he know what choice I will make before I make it? Again, "know" and "make" are two different verbs. That God knows what you will do does not even remotely imply He has to have made you do it....

Peddling the same false dichotomy, the same counterfeit coin. Boring. If it's a false dichotomy, you should have no problem at all showing that it is. Explain, then, why a subjectivist has any justification to condemn or advocate somebody else's actions, with no appeal to moral objectivity. You hav...

Why do you only refer to the choice between "good" and "evil"; do we not also have the freedom to choose between things like having a hot dog or a hamburger? Moral choices, obviously. Aesthetic and gustatory choices don't ordinarily implicate any moral status...well, unless you ...

Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:20 pm Peddling the same false dichotomy, the same counterfeit coin. Boring.

If it's a false dichotomy, you should have no problem at all showing that it is.

Explain, then, why a subjectivist has any justification to condemn or advocate somebody else's actions, with no appeal to moral objectivity.

When God first created everything and set it all in motion, did he incorporate into his creation the potential for chance and randomness? Not "randomness," per se. Volition. That is, he created beings that could choose freely to do His will, or to do that which is actually contrary to wha...

To repeat. IC's theistic moral objectivism amounts to the following valid syllogism. (IC likes syllogisms.) P1 If my team's god says X is morally right/wrong, then (it's a fact that) X is morally right/wrong. P2 My team's god says X is morally right/wrong. C Therefore, (it's a fact that) X is moral...

If I have the power to prevent an immoral/wicked/evil act, and I don't prevent it, then I am immoral/wicked/evil. And, of course, moral objectivists agree. But IC's team believes its god has that power - but worships it as the source of all goodness. Moral conclusion? You'd better include more data...

Sorry to butt into your conversation, but not sorry enough to stop me from doing it. :D Go ahead. When God first created everything and set it all in motion, did he incorporate into his creation the potential for chance and randomness? Not "randomness," per se. Volition. That is, he creat...