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by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:51 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Morality begins with the act. I'm sorry -- I don't understand this claim. It might be right, in some sense, but it's too vague. Can you clear it up for me? Moral behaviours are necessary, and are not fabricated by men, nor socially engineered. Okay; that means you're a moral objectivist. I can acce...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:40 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Age wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 2:12 pm Once again...
I'm sorry, Age...Given your history here, I just don't care enough about your opinion to be bothered.

Carry on. I know you will.
by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 23, 2024 1:57 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Not that you would be brave enough to clarify here ... Sorry, Age...I prefer to have a discussion partner who exhibits some modicum of ability to reason, and some tiny spirit of self-awareness. And I'm sorry to say, that's just not you, apparently. You've made that very, very clear from our previou...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 23, 2024 1:54 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Anyway, back to your impact on eternity. Will your entry make any difference? Well, that question presupposes a misunderstanding of what salvation is. Salvation isn't just then ...it's already now . Jesus said: “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, ha...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:12 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Anyway, back to your impact on eternity. Will your entry make any difference? Well, that question presupposes a misunderstanding of what salvation is. Salvation isn't just then ...it's already now . Jesus said: “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, ha...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:47 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

It's not certain that any material substance exists at all, as any idealist will tell you. You don't take that seriously. If you did, you wouldn't be typing to me, because you'd think I was a mere figment of your imagining. ...you think idealism and solipsism are synonyms... I do not, nor does anyt...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:13 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Harbal wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:01 pm I just wanted to show the folly of trying to mix religion and reality.
Well, "religion" is something in which I have no interest, but reality is quite important. So you might have to take your case where it's more appropriate, I guess.
by Immanuel Can
Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:32 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I'm quite satisfied with the quality of my logic, but I can see why you don't think much of it. 🙂 If you think there's such a thing as "my logic" or "your logic," as opposed to just "logic," then you don't know what real logic is. The idea is as absurd as saying, "...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:22 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

No, I'm happy to be judged on what I've already said on the matter. "Happy" or not, what should be quite clear to you is that you're not being logical. But okay; if being "happy" is the goal, I'll take your word for it that you've arrived. I'm quite satisfied with the quality of...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:21 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

As time is the interval between two points, and points are features of the material world, when there is no material substance in existence then there is no such thing as time. It's not certain that any material substance exists at all, as any idealist will tell you. You don't take that seriously. ...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:48 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Harbal wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:43 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:33 pm Give it a try. You'll see.
No, I'm happy to be judged on what I've already said on the matter.
"Happy" or not, what should be quite clear to you is that you're not being logical. But okay; if being "happy" is the goal, I'll take your word for it that you've arrived.
by Immanuel Can
Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:33 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Okay, so God didn't create a predetermined universe, and you say nothing else could have done it, so we are left with what I suspected all along. God doesn't know what the future will be,... That doesn't follow. "Know" and "make happen" or "predetermine" are different ...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:33 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

...what do you think time is? Well, it has different definitions. What sort are you looking for? You could say it's the interval in traversing between two points. That's a technical and geometric definition. You could say it's a measure of the rate of entropy. That would be a scientific one. You co...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:45 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

But that isn't what I've been saying, and I have gone to great lengths to make that clear. God's knowing means that things must be predetermined, but I'm not saying they have been predetermined by God. And yet, that just creates a regression problem. If there's something prior to God, something cap...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:58 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9613
Views: 838659

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

So your belief that God's knowing means that He's predetermined everything is wrong. But that isn't what I've been saying, and I have gone to great lengths to make that clear. God's knowing means that things must be predetermined, but I'm not saying they have been predetermined by God. And yet, tha...