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If God does not exist objective morality may still have a basis other than God. I'd actually like to see somebody do that. People talk about it, but they never demonstrate it. Take any precept you like. Let's say...a permission to do something we'd all concede is "good," such as, say: Sav...

No there isn't. Yeah, there is. But you have to allow the evidence to be recognized as evidence. If you just gratuitiously insist there's none, and never look, then not surprisingly, you'll remain convinced of that. But the deficiency won't be in the evidence. Then all I will say is that I have nev...

It looks like the discussion now hinges on whether God exists. If there is no God, there’s no morality. Since there’s no such thing as objective morality and furthermore subjective morality is subjective and worthless, God is either worthless or doesn’t exist. IC's claims about morality are inextri...

Of course they can. Being moral makes the world more habitable, unless you want to fortify your home against your neighbors walking in and stealing from you. Morality holds society together. That is why you should be moral. Nietzsche had an answer for that one, too. Yes, it can be useful for other ...

There is no rationality by which it can be shown that God is an objective reality. None you will admit, anyway. But yeah, there is. No there isn't. Yeah, there is. But you have to allow the evidence to be recognized as evidence. If you just gratuitiously insist there's none, and never look, then no...

Stating that morality isn't possible without God is an erroneous statement. It does not follow that if there is no God then one cannot be moral. Nobody has said that. I certainly haven't. An Atheist can arbitrarily to act in many ways we consider conventionally "moral." So let's you and I...

Saying they are does not make it so. No, rationality makes it so. There is no rationality by which it can be shown that God is an objective reality. None you will admit, anyway. But yeah, there is. It works because human beings have a sense of right and wrong, That they have a "sense" doe...

You're not arguing for morality, you're using morality to argue for God. That's not an either-or, Gary; it's a both-and. Both God and morality are objective realities, the latter being entirely dependent on the former. Saying they are does not make it so. No, rationality makes it so. There is no ra...

It's an interesting sight to see a person who professes belief in God trying to demolish morality in the name of insisting that his God must necessarily exist. :D I'm not "demolishing morality," Gary. I believe in morality, and I'm arguing for it. It's Subjectivism that makes morality imp...

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 3:34 am I promise you, I have prepared accordingly.

See you there.

I wouldn't call social consensus power, and although I don't really know what Nietzsche thought, I suspect he wouldn't, either. Yeah, he would. He would say that "morality" is nothing more than the weak collectively trying to limit the great men ( ubermenschen ). That is, trying to use th...

It's an interesting sight to see a person who professes belief in God trying to demolish morality in the name of insisting that his God must necessarily exist. :D I'm not "demolishing morality," Gary. I believe in morality, and I'm arguing for it. It's Subjectivism that makes morality imp...

When somebody complains about "lies about election fraud," especially long after the election, you know they're feeling vulnerable. They don't want there to be any allegation of fraud because they suspect (or know) there was some. If they thought the whole thing was above-board, they woul...

How often do people ask each other if their moral views are just their subjective opinion, or matters of objective fact, ffs? Maybe ordinary people never do so, at least in those words. Probably, what they ask themselves is, "Is it really right/wrong to..." And that's extremely common: It...

When somebody complains about "lies about election fraud," especially long after the election, you know they're feeling vulnerable. They don't want there to be any allegation of fraud because they suspect (or know) there was some. If they thought the whole thing was above-board, they would...