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by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 4:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9843
Views: 900423

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

And I know perfectly well that you will never accept anything I say about the subjective nature of morality, With good reason: as I've shown, it can't even make sense for the Subjectivist , and even when we grant him all his suppositions from the get-go. but I have enough confidence in my position ...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 4:44 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 87
Views: 1163

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Please explain how "objective" morality is going to protect me from being robbed, raped etc....... "Prevent"? Nobody can prevent a Rotherham gang member from committing rape. Ah, we're back to Rotherham again. It's as if you think I'm somehow responsible for that unfortunate Rot...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 4:36 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9843
Views: 900423

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I'd love to believe that if humans are kind to each other and solve problems through cooperation instead of warfare, that would be reward enough for engaging in kindness and cooperation. I take it you don't believe that is so? If humans were universally kind, we would have no need of laws or morali...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 3:08 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9843
Views: 900423

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

My only purpose here is to argue that there are no such things as objective moral truths; hence objective morality is an impossibility. So if objective morality is out of the conversation, I have no reason to take part in the conversation. As far as I'm concerned, you persistence in avoiding the mo...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:54 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9843
Views: 900423

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

My only purpose here is to argue that there are no such things as objective moral truths; hence objective morality is an impossibility. So if objective morality is out of the conversation, I have no reason to take part in the conversation. As far as I'm concerned, you persistence in avoiding the mo...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:49 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 87
Views: 1163

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Not wanting to be robbed, raped, enslaved, killed, cheated, oppressed, denied access, excluded, abused or slighted are all subjective preferences, aren't they? 🤔 They are, but not only that. If that's all they are, then you have no right at all not to be robbed, raped, enslaved, killed, cheated, op...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:34 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9843
Views: 900423

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

...you are completely unable to show how objective morality exists, or even how it could possibly exist. There is no such thing as objective moral truth. What we're doing, at the moment is allowing for the sake of argument that what you say is true . So objective morality is out of the conversation...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:20 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 87
Views: 1163

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Why would anyone want to be in a position to tell anyone what their moral position should be??? Because they don't want to be treated unjustly. They would prefer not to be robbed, raped, enslaved, or killed. Likewise, and more subtly, you also don't want to be cheated, oppressed, denied access, exc...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:14 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 87
Views: 1163

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Unless I am obliged to tell others what to believe or think, it works just fine. If you live by yourself, in a cave, then you don't need morality at all...neither objective or subjective. And whatever you decide to do, you can just do. There can be, for you, no moral dimension to life, because nobo...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:11 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 87
Views: 1163

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Why would anyone want to be in a position to tell anyone what their moral position should be??? Because they don't want to be treated unjustly. They would prefer not to be robbed, raped, enslaved, or killed. Likewise, and more subtly, you also don't want to be cheated, oppressed, denied access, exc...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:07 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9843
Views: 900423

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

...you are completely unable to show how objective morality exists, or even how it could possibly exist. There is no such thing as objective moral truth. What we're doing, at the moment is allowing for the sake of argument that what you say is true . So objective morality is out of the conversation...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:00 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9843
Views: 900423

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

How do you know how you currently interpret your Bible is right? I'm not sure how that question relates to Subjective Morality. Maybe you'll explain. Well, if as you claim morality is objective because your god says so, how do you know your feelings about what he says are objective? "Feelings?...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:04 am
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 87
Views: 1163

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

I’m a situational objectivist. That won't work. If it's "situational," then you're in no position to tell anybody about their "position," or what their moral "position" on it should be. Why would anyone want to be in a position to tell anyone what their moral position ...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 2:01 am
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 87
Views: 1163

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

I’m a situational objectivist. That won't work. If it's "situational," then you're in no position to tell anybody about their "position," or what their moral "position" on it should be. Unless I am obliged to tell others what to believe or think, it works just fine. If...
by Immanuel Can
Mon May 06, 2024 1:57 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9843
Views: 900423

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Of course I have a way of knowing. We all know that stealing is a moral issue, so if I have feelings about stealing, I know I have feelings about a moral issue. The thief has different feelings. How do we know, given Subjectivism, whose feelings are right? Well each thinks they are right, just like...