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My argument is that Subjectivism doesn't work at all, If a person subjectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and that disinclines him from stealing, why do you describe that as not working? I think your idea of working morality is the sort that would enable you, for example, to tell others...

If a person subjectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and that disinclines him from stealing, why do you describe that as not working? Yes. Because he has no idea why he has that twinge. And if it's just a twinge, he has no justification to trust it at all...anymore than a twinge of hunge...

My argument is that Subjectivism doesn't work at all, If a person subjectively thinks that stealing is morally wrong, and that disinclines him from stealing, why do you describe that as not working? Yes. Because he has no idea why he has that twinge. And if it's just a twinge, he has no justificati...

Therefore after 20k+ comments, your best argument seems to be that morality can't be subjective, because only objective morality can be morality. :lol: You're not reading. My argument is that Subjectivism doesn't work at all, even on its own terms. And that's regardless of whether or not objective ...

Okay, give me some relevant objective moral facts on which to base a "proper" moral assessment of Trump. That's not my concern. In other words, you can't. No. "It's not my concern" means I'm pointing out a fact about Subjectivism, not about politics. You have said absolutely not...

"Jews must be exterminated" was immoral according to most people, and moral according to that group of Nazis. Right. So was it moral or immoral? We can't say. If the "person" refused to kill on moral grounds, then she was immoral according to the Nazi group and moral according t...

It's about group morals, if a group agrees on them. Or personal morals. Then if the "group" of Nazis says, "Jews must be exterminated," that's "moral"? :shock: Or even if a "person" does? :shock: And what if the "group" tells the "person" ...

But you are a hypocrite for overlooking Trump's deplorable character just because he promised the religious right he would do something about abortion. Well, first of all, I'm not "overlooking" anything. I have no particular affinity or concern with Trump. He's a candidate in a country I ...

Look back to my earlier post where I provided a list of reasons why I think Trump is amoral and/or narcissistic. I cannot find a comment from you following the list I provided. That's because if that's just a subjective list, then it's inconsequential. However, if it's objectively true that voting ...

Apparently not, according to some of the other comments on this thread. That's only because they're actually not Subjectivists. Just like you're not. What they actually believe is that their most prized values (such as Trump-hating or abortion-supporting ) are objective and compulsory for all right...

You mean it doesn't deliver any objective moral information at all. I neither said that, nor even implied it. In fact, I said the opposite: that I don't need any reference to Objective Moralizing to make the point. Here's the point: what can Moral Subjectivism, even if we took it to be entirely tru...

I can't speak for anyone else, but my moral sensibilities tell me that there's something not right about having a lying scumbag running a country. :| That may change. And if it does, Trump will become the moral choice, because subjectively, It won't change, I can promise you that, No, you can't. Yo...

...you ignore this part... I ignore most of what you say, because most of it is absurd twaddle, actually. Now, show that it can inform just one person of one moral thing. All that my assessment here "informs" is this: that in regard to either moral objectivism or moral subjectivism, indiv...

I don't know that it can teach you anything. Let's suppose it can. Or let's suppose I'm impossible, but you are a moral agent. What can Subjectivism teach you about morality? It doesn't teach me anything, it guides my conduct. For example, it prohibits my going onto internet forums and lying about ...

Moral subjectivism is, in my view, no less embodied existentially in dasein. If you're going to talk more 💩, we're not going to get anywhere. :lol: What you do here basically is to assume that moral subjectivism must be wrong... Nope. I'm agreeing to accept, for argument's sake, the premise offered...