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Wait a minute! I recently allowed that I cannot claim that Trump is amoral, because his morals, unknown to me as they are, may be quite different than mine. And therefore I should not decide whether to support him or not—I.e. at least not based on a list of character flaws that in turn are derived ...

Unless I am obliged to tell others what to believe or think, it works just fine. If you live by yourself, in a cave, then you don't need morality at all...neither objective or subjective. And whatever you decide to do, you can just do. There can be, for you, no moral dimension to life, because nobo...

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 4:33 pm

We get lied to with that word all the time, as Fauci et al are certainly demonstrating right in front of us,

Just in case somebody missed it.

Thanks. You've made my point in big print. A little "overkill," maybe; but appreciated, nonetheless.

Don't trust science, whatever you do. :shock: Yes. Always trust the Anthony Faucis of the world. They're "the Science." :roll: On a tangential note, there's a Biblical principle that says basically, "if you rebuild something you just destroyed, you prove you screwed up." (Gal. 2...

I did suggest this, but at the time you were less in favour. Anyway... Do you have any objective source other than the Bible to corroborate this? Science. Don't trust science, whatever you do. :shock: Yes. Always trust the Anthony Faucis of the world. They're "the Science." :roll: On a ta...

Do you have any objective source other than the Bible to corroborate this? Science. Observation. Spiritual experience. Reason. Mathematics. Archaeology. Those are good companions when one is making a decision. Well, as Polanyi, who's Science, Faith and Society you cite approvingly said, all knowled...

Oh good. So what is factual about Genesis? Let's start at the start. I did suggest this, but at the time you were less in favour. If we want to start at the real beginning, the beginning of my "establishing" of things was the gospels, not Genesis. Anyway... "In the beginning, God cre...

Oh good. So what is factual about Genesis? Let's start at the start. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth." How many heavens? The term "heavens," with a small "h" and a plural, refers to the cosmos...the planets, stars, etc. But you can see that fro...

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 10:28 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 10:05 pm

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 9:52 pmEven you shy from pretending it gives off the illusion of fact.

I don't "shy" away from any such thing, actually.

Oh good. So what is factual about Genesis?

Let's start at the start.

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth."

But you have to know and judge their behavior in order to be active. Why? You have to judge how do deal with people. You have to judge whether they are doing something 'deviant' or dangerous or trivial or harmless. Then you have to decide how to deal with it. That would seem to be fairly obvious. O...

Objective morality is a fiction... Here's the interesting thing about a fiction: it only works if it gives off the illusion of fact. The worlds fiction creates have to look or seem real, and the characters and situations have to strike us as human and plausible, even in the wildest fiction. That is...

So what do you do? Stand by and watch? Wait for the last judgement? What do you do? You believe God now, and go His way, accept His moral standard, and establish your ongoing relationship with Him. Or, you use yourself as your moral 'standard,' and wait and hear the truth later. We aren't "sta...

iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:55 pm Right, right. You're job is to remind us that no one can be saved unless they accept Jesus Christ as their own personal savior.

I don't have to. You just did it.

So you know. And my responsibility to you is finished. It's up to you, now.

Objective morality is a fiction... Here's the interesting thing about a fiction: it only works if it gives off the illusion of fact. The worlds fiction creates have to look or seem real, and the characters and situations have to strike us as human and plausible, even in the wildest fiction. In a si...

Nevertheless, you are obviously fascinated by it. :wink: Ummm...nope, sorry. :? Not even remotely interested, actually. It was you who brought it up -- If you don't want to hear about it, has it occurred to you to stop referring to it? Gladly. Now, what did you want to say, before you did the spont...