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by Immanuel Can
Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:13 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I've already said that I don't know how it came to be. Then what gives you a reason to think it wasn't created by God? I don't believe in God, so that isn't an option. Then that's arbitrary. I suspected as much. I assume you are thinking of life, particularly the more highly developed forms of life...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:48 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Yes, in this particular scenario, I am assuming the existence of matter. Then you're not explaining how it came to be, what its origination is. You're just noting that it's here, however it got here. I've already said that I don't know how it came to be. Then what gives you a reason to think it was...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:28 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: Is Conservatism just NeoTraditionalism these days?
Replies: 127
Views: 1550

Re: Is Conservatism just NeoTraditionalism these days?

So yes, conservatives are harder to locate. No manifesto, only a rather general and foggy ideological basis (you mentioned Burke and Thatcher, but they are very different individuals, obviously, and neither really consolidated a "large-C" Conservatism out of anything), no central authorit...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:03 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I am using the word, "laws" because I can't think of a better term, but by it I mean some state of affairs by which the conditions for how matter is able to exist and behave are set. You're already assuming, then, the existence of matter. Yes, in this particular scenario, I am assuming th...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:35 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Don't be obtuse. You said, foolishly, that evidence that is refused is still evidence. I'm not. You said: 'Evidence that is refused is still evidence.' Yes, I did. And I still do. But I was not at all being "obtuse," as you erroneously put it. It was a fair statement. I'm asking you if yo...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:55 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: Is Conservatism just NeoTraditionalism these days?
Replies: 127
Views: 1550

Re: Is Conservatism just NeoTraditionalism these days?

I would say that there's fairly widespread use of the term with a big C and I would say that if we wish to have monolithic terms such as "Liberalism", "The Left" and so on, then "Conservatism" should probably qualify with a similar set of caveats to those others. I don...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:35 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

But why can't the laws be the "first cause"? That's like asking why traffic laws can't be the cause of roads. I am using the word, "laws" because I can't think of a better term, but by it I mean some state of affairs by which the conditions for how matter is able to exist and be...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:14 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

So the evidence of Qur'anic revelation that you refuse is still evidence? :roll: You'll have to be more specific: what particular evidence do you regard as compelling for the Koran? Don't be obtuse. You said, foolishly, that evidence that is refused is still evidence. I'm not. I'm asking you if you...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:56 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Yes. And, as I recall, the evidence you offer for the existence of your team's universe-creating god is: the universe, morality, revelation and Jesus. These don't constitute evidence for the cause of the universe, or the nature of the causal mechanism. Evidence that is refused is still evidence. Re...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:03 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

A causal explanation with no evidence for the existence of the cause, or the nature of the causal mechanism, is no explanation at all. And yet, the evidence is exactly what H. and I are discussing. Yes. And, as I recall, the evidence you offer for the existence of your team's universe-creating god ...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Peter Holmes wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:38 pm A causal explanation with no evidence for the existence of the cause, or the nature of the causal mechanism, is no explanation at all.
And yet, the evidence is exactly what H. and I are discussing.
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:49 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

But why can't the laws be the "first cause"? That's like asking why traffic laws can't be the cause of roads. The "laws" are not agents. They don't do things, or cause things to happen. They're descriptions of how materials regularly behave, when they're already present. But we'...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:29 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

But we know these things [laws of physics/nature] exist, there is no doubt about that. What we don't know, though, and what is the real question here, as you point out, is HOW they exist. Do they exist as products of mere accident, or do they exist as the products of the creative wisdom of God. The...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:08 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Morality is a meaning, and all meanings are derived from the experiences of conscious subjects and are never the property of the object or the physical world as an object... Repeating an erroneous claim, one you find impossible to defend, will not make your case for you. You would have to show that...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:22 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9042
Views: 719340

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Morality is a meaning, and all meanings are derived from the experiences of conscious subjects and are never the property of the object or the physical world as an object... Repeating an erroneous claim, one you find impossible to defend, will not make your case for you. You would have to show that...