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by Immanuel Can
Thu May 09, 2024 12:13 am
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: #LiesAboutElectionFraud
Replies: 2
Views: 19

Re: #LiesAboutElectionFraud

it's funny how you compare Trump with Hitler when all the anti Semitic protestors are leftists democrats for Hamas and Islamic tyranny the revolution will be glorious -Imp Is that the Marxist revolution, or the Islamic revolution? I'm pretty sure that, other than the piles and piles of dead bodies ...
by Immanuel Can
Thu May 09, 2024 12:09 am
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 131
Views: 1596

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

The point is, our place in society, and our rights, have nothing to do with the subjectivity of our morality. I hate to point this out, but if morality is subjective, so is your belief in rights. Rights are a moral concept, not one you can glean from objective observation. And I hate to point this ...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 11:07 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 131
Views: 1596

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Bad judgment could lead to an exchange of nuclear assets. You forgot. A Subjectivist has no reason to expect the word "bad" to convey anything. Anything that is the "judgment" made by another "subjective observer" has to be every bit as "good" or "bad&qu...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 11:04 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 131
Views: 1596

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

He still gets to vote, though. Yes, he does. And that's just fine: every American citizen should have that right. But to suppose that any argument against any candidate that is made by a Subjectivist means something important...that's quite a different question. All it really means is "Today, ...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 11:02 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 131
Views: 1596

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

But you told him nobody has to take any notice of his subjective opinion, but they do when he casts his vote. That's because while opinions are subjective, the process of voting is objective. Yet another reason why Subjectivism is stupid: it ignores the impact of what you do on other people. The po...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 11:00 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 131
Views: 1596

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

"Subjective" or "objective", either way people have beliefs and make choices based on those beliefs. But they don't have to, actually...anymore than they have to make some unrelated decision based on a headache or an ingrown toenail. Subjectivism is just a twinge. It doesn't sig...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 8:16 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 131
Views: 1596

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

He still gets to vote, though. Yes, he does. And that's just fine: every American citizen should have that right. But to suppose that any argument against any candidate that is made by a Subjectivist means something important...that's quite a different question. All it really means is "Today, ...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 8:04 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 131
Views: 1596

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

He still gets to vote, though. Yes, he does. And that's just fine: every American citizen should have that right. But to suppose that any argument against any candidate that is made by a Subjectivist means something important...that's quite a different question. But you told him nobody has to take ...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 7:48 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 131
Views: 1596

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Why do I express my opinion to those who are under no obligation to agree with me and follow my morality? There are two reasons: some may change their mind and decide that my opinion applies to them as well, and I am a narcissist. While no one is under any obligation to adopt my personal preference...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 7:31 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 131
Views: 1596

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

no one is obligated to follow my morality, Right. That's the Subjectivist problem. Nothing they affirm in the moral realm has any logical obligation for anybody else. He still gets to vote, though. Yes, he does. And that's just fine: every American citizen should have that right. But to suppose tha...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 5:47 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 131
Views: 1596

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Wait a minute! I recently allowed that I cannot claim that Trump is amoral, because his morals, unknown to me as they are, may be quite different than mine. And therefore I should not decide whether to support him or not—I.e. at least not based on a list of character flaws that in turn are derived ...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 5:23 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 131
Views: 1596

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Unless I am obliged to tell others what to believe or think, it works just fine. If you live by yourself, in a cave, then you don't need morality at all...neither objective or subjective. And whatever you decide to do, you can just do. There can be, for you, no moral dimension to life, because nobo...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 4:54 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10001
Views: 915462

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Harbal wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 4:33 pm
We get lied to with that word all the time, as Fauci et al are certainly demonstrating right in front of us,
Just in case somebody missed it. 🙂
Thanks. You've made my point in big print. A little "overkill," maybe; but appreciated, nonetheless.
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 4:19 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10001
Views: 915462

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Don't trust science, whatever you do. :shock: Yes. Always trust the Anthony Faucis of the world. They're "the Science." :roll: On a tangential note, there's a Biblical principle that says basically, "if you rebuild something you just destroyed, you prove you screwed up." (Gal. 2...
by Immanuel Can
Wed May 08, 2024 3:20 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 10001
Views: 915462

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I did suggest this, but at the time you were less in favour. Anyway... Do you have any objective source other than the Bible to corroborate this? Science. Don't trust science, whatever you do. :shock: Yes. Always trust the Anthony Faucis of the world. They're "the Science." :roll: On a ta...