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by Immanuel Can
Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Does a pregnant woman carry a human being/person or just 'life'/meat?
Replies: 159
Views: 1826

Re: Mannie

The climates does change, yes: but industry is not the engine of that change. I'm inclined to reserve judgment on that until the data comes in. But either way, as I'm sure you'd agree, it would make zero difference to the question, "Should we jump on board with the 'responses' advocated by 'environ...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Does a pregnant woman carry a human being/person or just 'life'/meat?
Replies: 159
Views: 1826

Re: correlation ain't causation

That's my explanation for data that supposedly shows a temp increase over the historical average coinciding with the production of greenhouse gases. In a sense, it doesn't much matter what caused greenhouse gases and global warming. What matters is that we have not the least idea how to change it. ...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 524
Views: 4648

Re: Pete

Fair enough. I think the great danger of moral objectivism is that people can think their own moral opinions are facts and therefore undeniable. Facts are deniable. At one point, every living human being would have denied that the Earth revolves. One can deny facts: it's what one does with that tha...
by Immanuel Can
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:54 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: "Free will was given to man by god."
Replies: 49
Views: 361

Re: "Free will was given to man by god."

jayjacobus wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:25 am
"the law of God" has no meaning if only God.
Are you familiar with the grammatical term, "genitive case"?

"Of" doesn't mean "to." In this case, it means "by authority of."
by Immanuel Can
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:06 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: "Free will was given to man by god."
Replies: 49
Views: 361

Re: "Free will was given to man by god."

Why IYO is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil always considered superficially from a moralistic perspective? Because "knowledge of good and evil" implicates ethics/morality. It's what the text says. There was no society at that time so obviously knowledge of good and evil refers to somethin...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:02 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: "Free will was given to man by god."
Replies: 49
Views: 361

Re: "Free will was given to man by god."

Theists believes God created and maintains everything ; i.e. determinism. This doesn't follow. Most Theists do not believe God micromanages the universe. He is the Creator, but is capable of creating free will possessing creatures. That's how most see it. Atheists are generally Materialists, and Ma...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:41 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: "Free will was given to man by god."
Replies: 49
Views: 361

Re: "Free will was given to man by god."

Belinda wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:06 am
But for both the atheist and the theist the problem remains that the world is deterministic.
Sorry...you're just wrong about this. This is not what Theists believe is the case. It's what a certain narrow band of them does. It's not at all a mainstream position.
by Immanuel Can
Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:30 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: "Free will was given to man by god." Attempt 2.
Replies: 3
Views: 58

Re: "Free will was given to man by god." Attempt 2.

-1- wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:59 pm
...a word from anyone who knows a bible quote
Already sent to you, on the last strand. Did you miss it?

Genesis 1.
by Immanuel Can
Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:30 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: "Free will was given to man by god." Attempt 2.
Replies: 3
Views: 58

Re: "Free will was given to man by god." Attempt 2.

Ramu wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:46 pm
Any concept of humans having free will is delusional at best.
We can't believe you. We were predetermined by fates and material causality to believe whatever we believe.
by Immanuel Can
Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:25 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do humans have a soul?
Replies: 207
Views: 3012

Re: -1-

Autonomy is man's because he has power to exert autonomy. So called Free Will is an ontic category unlike power which is a relative attribute. Definition of ontic - relating to entities and the facts about them; relating to real as opposed to phenomenal existence. Oxford Dictionaries online) That s...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:35 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do humans have a soul?
Replies: 207
Views: 3012

Re: Do humans have a soul?

I meant precisely the same as the Torah. So you now say that the world was created "good," (as Torah says) but that, as Torah also says, it only became "not good enough" as a result of man's sin? Because that's "precisely the same as the Torah ." But if that's what you meant, why did you say the wo...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:32 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do humans have a soul?
Replies: 207
Views: 3012

Re: Do humans have a soul?

Freedom. Which is NOT free will. Free will can be had only with freedom per se, but it can be also held without many other forms of freedom. Well, then, you were surely splitting hairs. If freedom is a sine qua non of free will, then the distinction is surely trivial. Maybe people hate their free w...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:47 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Mind
Topic: Do humans have a soul?
Replies: 207
Views: 3012

Re: -1-

Only religion could have the power to promote Free Will as a supernatural add- on to the natural biological man This isn't true, actually. As I say, there's a well-developed secular literature on the subject, involving many of the major philosophers. Let me suggest you start with something like Sch...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:44 pm
Forum: Applied Ethics
Topic: Does a pregnant woman carry a human being/person or just 'life'/meat?
Replies: 159
Views: 1826

Re: Does a pregnant woman carry a human being/person or just 'life'/meat?

Acting to stop our own extinction is not going to be easy but is arguably better than the alternative. Not arguably, because you're not actually talking about knowing what to do. You're advocating thrashing around with a bunch of symbolic gestures that do more harm than good. How does that help any...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:14 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION
Replies: 524
Views: 4648

Re: "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS", HERE'S THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT ABORTION

Nonsense. If 'the good' or 'goodness' is a property (a predicate), then it is independent of the subject of which it is predicated. Roundness is not "independent of" circles. But in the case of the Creator, you've got an additional problem with that objection: namely, that the One who makes all thi...