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by Immanuel Can
Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:33 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory
Replies: 183
Views: 3084

Re: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory

You can't help the culture you're born into that imposes its beliefs upon you such that you have no alternative and no choice. And yet you claim an exception for yourself. You've struggled and become freed, and converted to your own beliefs, you say. But if that's true, then the statement you made ...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:21 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory
Replies: 183
Views: 3084

Re: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory

Okay, let's suppose I am. Then give me one example that has been reproduced scientifically (rather than, say, merely speculated) of non-life turning into life. Have you applied this probing scientific intellect of yours...etc. I call "red herring." Non-responsive. Got it. What scientific warrant do...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:29 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1393
Views: 78161

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Immanuel Can accused me: Actually, I didn't "accuse you" anything. I indicted the worldview you were articulating as rationally committed to certain outcomes. We're arguing about philosophies, not personalities. I have no view of you personally. As I said, I make no ad hominems . Not everything is ...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:38 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory
Replies: 183
Views: 3084

Re: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory

"Life just appears magically" is a misrepresentation of S's, views. Okay, let's suppose I am. Then give me one example that has been reproduced scientifically (rather than, say, merely speculated) of non-life turning into life. Like me, he sees the entire edifice as alive. What scientific warrant d...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:05 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory
Replies: 183
Views: 3084

Re: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory

I've asked about 3-4 times now for you to draw the line between life and nonlife: animals, plants, bacteria, viruses, prions, proteins, amino acids, organic molecules, molecules, atoms, quarks, energy fields. <---- draw a line in there or tell me ________ and _________ is where the line should go. ...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:45 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory
Replies: 183
Views: 3084

Re: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory

People can't be said to choose the religion they're born into; I know I didn't have a choice for many years until I could somewhat shake off my bias and feel I could weigh things objectively in order to actually say I've indeed made a choice. If it's a culture, you can be born within it. If it's a ...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:25 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: God or Man: the Source of Higher Values
Replies: 70
Views: 1078

Re: God or Man: the Source of Higher Values

I actually believe it is largely due to evolution. If that's so, nothing makes them "higher" values. They'd be very ordinary values, and entirely a matter of function or preference. We'd owe such "values" no allegiance at all. What if I choose to "value," say, my own financial advantage, getting mo...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:46 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1393
Views: 78161

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Belinda: Causal Determinism rules out anything but material cause-and-effect chains. As Kant said, "ought implies can." You can't ask beings to be "morally responsible" if they could not possibly "respond" any other way than they actually did. That's why we don't charge crimes to children and the me...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:32 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory
Replies: 183
Views: 3084

Re: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory

Two points that should be considered: 1. We have no satisfactory definition of life. Good point. But we have pretty wonderful definitions of "not-life." For example, chemical elements like hydrogen and helium are not life. An explosion in space is not life. So if these things were what were in play...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:52 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory
Replies: 183
Views: 3084

Re: A strange spiritual consequence of the multiverse theory

Then explain how the "law" terminology originated. Like I said earlier: by way of metaphor. And while, of course, that metaphor itself is Theistic in presupposition, it's in no way reflective of Theocracy. Theocracy is a comprehensive political system, enforcing its will by means of temporal power;...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:39 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1393
Views: 78161

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"I agree. And yet, here we are...ninety-some pages, and still arguing with folks who think nobody can actually "change" their mind anyway." Yeah, we must be fated to repeat, repeat, repeat. Or, mebbe, we're just optimists. Or maybe we're a couple of masochists. Pass the scourge, please. :lol:
by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:38 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1393
Views: 78161

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Immanuel Can wrote replied to my saying that he too could "change the course of events": A Determinist would never say that, because they think the "course of events" is fixed by prior forces, and so is not open to any "approach" or "change." Yes, but only partly. Determinism includes , besides pri...
by Immanuel Can
Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:40 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Book of Job
Replies: 52
Views: 794

Re: Book of Job

Immanuel Can: The point of a "ground" is that it does not move. And that is why many contemporary philosophers have rejected the notion of an unmovable ground. But notice, they still want to talk about "good" and "bad," about "justice" and "injustice," but with no grounds for doings so. But if Natu...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:29 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Book of Job
Replies: 52
Views: 794

Re: Book of Job

Not fictions, but not grounded in objective reality. Grounded in human experience and the natural bonds of human beings. The point of a "ground" is that it does not move. Human experiences and bonds move all the time -- they change from person to person, and from society to society, and from age to...
by Immanuel Can
Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:08 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Free Will vs Determinism
Replies: 1393
Views: 78161

Re: Free Will vs Determinism

Belinda wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:28 pm

Reason is a means to approach reality. You too can change the course of events.
Then you're no Determinist.

A Determinist would never say that, because they think the "course of events" is fixed by prior forces, and so is not open to any "approach" or "change."