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by Immanuel Can
Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:22 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

It's not a matter of certainty.Never was - your are (intentionally or otherwise) misinterpreting my meaning. "Unqualified" was the misleading term. My claim is A (world exists). You have no certainty of that. Once one starts the game of radical doubt, that acid washes out the empirical world and ev...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

It was you who ascribed the adjective “atheistic” to it. Which *IS* a knowledge claim! So you were NOT saying you had any "unqualified" certainty about that. Good to know. So back it up (something tells me that you won’t). I do not believe the world is as Atheists describe it. So I am not in a posi...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:04 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

Atheism is not true Atheism is the non acceptance of a specific truth claim pertaining to the existence of a metaphysical being commonly known as God Non acceptance of the truth claim is not the same as rejection of it and as it cannot be disproven then the claim cannot be falsified Then you're an ...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:59 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

And yet you claimed to have "unqualified" certainty. I find those claims implausible to reconcile. One of them must not be true. I have made no epistemic claims anywhere in our interaction. Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:17 pm ...in an Atheistic world. That was my conditional clause. We mu...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:37 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

Objective morality is equally a problem inherent to theism. Why do you suppose so? Because there isn't a theory of God and/or morality that is not subject to criticism. :D There isn't ANY point of view that is not subject to criticism. The question is not "are there critics," but "are the criticism...
by Immanuel Can
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:50 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

Ginkgo wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:39 am
Objective morality is equally a problem inherent to theism.
Why do you suppose so?
by Immanuel Can
Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:07 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

You think there is a 'right' and a 'wrong' way to use a particular tool! Like language. Or philosophy. Or logic. While arguing AGAINST 'objective morality'. I'm not arguing against objective morality, actually. The impossibility of objective morality is a problem inherent to Atheism. Atheism's not ...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:58 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

You think there is a 'right' and a 'wrong' way to use a particular tool! Like language. Or philosophy. Or logic. While arguing AGAINST 'objective morality'. I'm not arguing against objective morality, actually. The impossibility of objective morality is a problem inherent to Atheism. Atheism's not ...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:02 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

Bullshit. You are very slippery in English... It was your "English." You said it, I didn't. I just asked you what made you so absolute in your belief that there is no God. And I don't yet note a relevant response to that. One would think it should be a very easy question to answer, if you possess "...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:47 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

The world is. Unqualified. You believe, in an "unqualified" way, that you know there is no God? That would be quite an epistemological achievement. So what rational line of thought compels you to this "unqualified" conclusion? Bullshit. You are very slippery in English... It was your "English." You...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:15 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

...in an Atheistic world. That was my conditional clause. We must not forget it. The world is. Unqualified. You believe, in an "unqualified" way, that you know there is no God? That would be quite an epistemological achievement. So what rational line of thought compels you to this "unqualified" con...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:17 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

So there are no objective standards then? Good! Finally got some agreement out of you. ...in an Atheistic world. That was my conditional clause. We must not forget it. The NTS is also known as "appeal to purity". I didn't appeal to your "purity." I merely made the routine observation that your obje...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:04 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

You may have to familiarize yourself with the basic principles of forming logical syllogisms. Appeal to authority. On what grounds do you accept the basic principles? Not "appeal to authority." No "authority" cited. In fact, don't take my word for it. Check out any Philosophy 101, and they'll cover...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:44 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

Rational adequacy. A statement must be supported by premises adequate to making the conclusion necessary. By what standard of rationality? By what standard of adequacy? You may have to familiarize yourself with the basic principles of forming logical syllogisms. Two premises and a conclusion are ne...
by Immanuel Can
Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:39 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 567
Views: 5181

Re: What could make morality objective?

Inadequate. By what standard for adequacy? Rational adequacy. A statement must be supported by premises adequate to making the conclusion necessary. But you say you've "grounded" your account, so you must be able to show why "human survival" is a universal, imperative value. What is your demonstrat...