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by Immanuel Can
Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:29 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The problem is human nature not religion
Replies: 87
Views: 26123

Re: The problem is human nature not religion

The First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE)... Kuz: You are correct. You are reading quite a different history. How many killed in all the incidents you list? How do they compare to, say, the post-Revolution Terror in France, Stalinist Purges, Mao's prisons and "re-education" programs, or Pol P...
by Immanuel Can
Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:57 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The problem is human nature not religion
Replies: 87
Views: 26123

Re: The problem is human nature not religion

John Locke's idea of natural rights are strictly secular.
Not even remotely true. If you read the "Toleration" essay, you'll see. If you don't, you won't. It's that simple.
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:12 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The problem is human nature not religion
Replies: 87
Views: 26123

Re: The problem is human nature not religion

3: Scientific method : go read the writings of the inventor of the scientific method, Sir Francis Bacon -- master scientist and theologian. Read his "Of Truth" for a start. Human rights : go read John Locke, the founder of the modern rationale for human rights. See his "Toleration&quo...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:08 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Death
Replies: 334
Views: 84884

Re: Death

Not to regard Jesus as having these characteristics is to deny that he was human. Non sequitur, Bernard. If we take the Biblical narrative, it holds that a man without having sinned is still a man. Adam was human, even before he sinned. According to Biblical thought, evil is not an intrinsic compon...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:56 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Choice or Determinism
Replies: 91
Views: 28317

Re: Choice or Determinism

I thought Choice is believed to be some choice and some determinism. I agree with compatilbilism. Then my original argument is against Determinism, in favor of Choice and Compatibilism. Believing in that there is some choice. Yeah, I can understand the mix-up. The terminology here is really confusi...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:47 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Death
Replies: 334
Views: 84884

Re: Death

No, it's genuine. When people speak of "gentle Jesus, meek and mild," they forget that story. He's love, but he's also holiness. The Bible says He's not just the Saviour of the Word, but also it's ultimate Judge. He's about love and forgiveness, yes; but also about justice and truth. To sa...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:26 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The problem is human nature not religion
Replies: 87
Views: 26123

Re: The problem is human nature not religion

3: What "religion" are you talking about? Don't you feel a little bit silly grouping jihadis with the Amish? Animists with Unitarians? The Bahai with Thugees? Christians with Aztecs? Maybe you should say which religion actually did what . I will not make bold to speak for any other "r...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:09 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Choice or Determinism
Replies: 91
Views: 28317

Re: Choice or Determinism

Predetermination and detemination are very different. Aiddon, I'm thinking they're probably pretty closely related, actually. the "pre" doesn't add much. My suggestion would be that perhaps "predetermination" occurs most frequently in discussions based on Theistic Determinism an...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:02 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Death
Replies: 334
Views: 84884

Re: Death

including Jesus,
Be careful what you say about the Son of God, Bernard...not because of me, for I am not the Ultimate Defender of that Name. But there is One who defends it, and for all the world I would not see you run afoul of Him on that score.
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:58 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Death
Replies: 334
Views: 84884

Re: Death

So poetry is the source of evil and the Nazi's could have beautified the world because they were such good aesthetes. Of course not. Don't be silly! Really, Bernard... :roll: Poetry is not the source of evil. But it's not automatically the source of good either. It can be used for good purposes, but...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:01 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Choice or Determinism
Replies: 91
Views: 28317

Re: Choice or Determinism

Oh hey, lots and lots of ways... In almost anything non-material, it immediately becomes reductional, tongue-tied and impotent to investigate beyond the material itself. (For those naive souls who cling to the belief that there is nothing but "materials" within the realm of the Real anyway...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:23 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Choice or Determinism
Replies: 91
Views: 28317

Re: Choice or Determinism

We know how it happens in scientific terms. Oh really? Go ahead. Inform me. Perhaps we should also inform the neuroscience community, since they also eagerly await the revelation. 2) It's also about the types of connections and relationships of those molecules. While you're at it, explain what &quo...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:32 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Clear and Concise Christian Message
Replies: 14
Views: 5277

Re: Clear and Concise Christian Message

Chuck, I'm not exactly sure what you position is. I can see you are saying that the very nature of politics excludes agreement. I can also see that you are saying the real religious message precludes disagreement. So, are you arguing for some type of theocracy? I don't really see how the two ideas ...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:23 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Death
Replies: 334
Views: 84884

Re: Death

Well I don't know, I can only speak from my own reading of his works especially the pivotal ones surrounding Zarathuatra and Zarathuatra itself: an intensely Poetical and beautiful inspiration. Then there is the solid and sure hand of Beyond Good and evil. Not forgetting the musical qualities and l...
by Immanuel Can
Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:12 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Choice or Determinism
Replies: 91
Views: 28317

Re: Choice or Determinism

Are you being serious right now? In case you didn't know, a dead body and the same body when alive can have the same amount of molecules. It's the extremely numerous and complex interactions between them such as chemical reactions which add up to chemical processes and electronic impulses that form...