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Well, we know what it isn't. It isn't "subjective." But the "we" you speak of seem to be very few; at least on this forum. Agreed. Most here seem to be stupified by the smoke-and-mirrors of Subjectivism. That's because they WANT to believe that there's an alternative "moral...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 3:38 pm I am trying to round up some funds for a very fine bicycle I have my eyes on. Would any of you deadbeats consider a PayPal donation?

From "excellent man" to charity case in one fell swoop.

I think the project of explaining where our moral values and codes come from - 'filling the actual gap' - is important. So I'm following your developing argument with interest. I think the title of your thread, "Is morality objective or subjective?", is a bit problematic; it leaves the qu...

I think the project of explaining where our moral values and codes come from - 'filling the actual gap' - is important. So I'm following your developing argument with interest. I think the title of your thread, "Is morality objective or subjective?", is a bit problematic; it leaves the qu...

I don't doubt that a lot of people do think of morality, or certain aspects of it, as something that corresponds to some sort of truth, but the topic is about what morality actually is, not what some people happen to believe it is. Well, we know what it isn't. It isn't "subjective." But t...

That's what most people seem to do...to say they disbelieve in objective moral truths, and that morality is all subjective, but then act as if their own beliefs are mostly objectively true anyway. 8) I don't imagine the average person makes the objective/subjective distinction. But, as the saying g...

If He's fictitious, it doesn't matter what you follow. There's no obligation to follow anything...not even your own whims. Even so, I think I will follow my whims, just in case they turn out to be objectively true. 🙂 That's what most people seem to do...to say they disbelieve in objective moral tru...

Even the inventor of a subjective axiom is not morally obligated to follow it. So it isn't, in any intelligible sense at all, a "moral" edict. It's simply an arbitrary whim...a twinge. So the question is, do we follow our own arbitrary whims, or those of a fictitious god? 🤔 If He's fictit...

seeds wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 10:01 pm

"...Make Earth Medieval Again..." (MEMA)


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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 9:23 pm Even the inventor of a subjective axiom is not morally obligated to follow it. So it isn't, in any intelligible sense at all, a "moral" edict. It's simply an arbitrary whim...a twinge.

So the question is, do we follow our own arbitrary whims, or those of a fictitious god?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 8:33 pm
For objective morality, your agreement is not required. Moral truth will proceed, regardless of you.

Proceed to be ignored by those who don't happen to agree with it, and who may even have an alternative objective morality of their own, you mean?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 8:02 pm Plato, Aristotle — mere children when I reflect on my own attainments.

Except nobody is likely to remember you for more than five minutes after they log out of the forum.

My comment actually has zero to do with authority. It has to do with rationality. Your Subjectivism will not rationalize any explanation to the effect that anybody else should be concerned about what you think. That's definitional, since you believe that morality is entirely made up by individuals....

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:38 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:34 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:12 pm
Ironic. That's exactly why I don't bother with you...you're just never rational, it seems.

That's rich coming from someone who believes the Bible is literal truth.

Well, we're going to see about that.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:12 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 10:23 am No one can make you reasonable.

Ironic. That's exactly why I don't bother with you...you're just never rational, it seems.

That's rich coming from someone who believes the Bible is literal truth.