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Wait. So it's not okay for men to commit premeditated murder. But it IS okay for women to murder? :shock: Just bear in mind that legal abortion isn't murder, Gary. Tell him to look it up in a law book if he doesn't believe you. Just because somebody human legalizes something doesn't make it moral. ...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 5:52 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 5:34 pm I would leave it up to the female.

Wait. So it's not okay for men to commit premeditated murder. But it IS okay for women to murder?

Just bear in mind that legal abortion isn't murder, Gary. Tell him to look it up in a law book if he doesn't believe you.

See my attached question, and we'll know what he's asking, and what I'm asking him. You've told him that the abortion would be murdering a child, but you haven't said why murdering a child is morally wrong. You don't think murder is morally wrong? Generally speaking, it is my opinion that murder is...

They're not rape abortions, or incest abortions, or anything of that kind. Less than 1% are those. So if you will begin by agreeing with me that 99% of abortions are immoral, I'll answer your question for you. You haven't told him why you think they are immoral, so how does he know what he is being...

They're not rape abortions, or incest abortions, or anything of that kind. Less than 1% are those. So if you will begin by agreeing with me that 99% of abortions are immoral, I'll answer your question for you. You haven't told him why you think they are immoral, so how does he know what he is being...

They're not rape abortions, or incest abortions, or anything of that kind. Less than 1% are those. So if you will begin by agreeing with me that 99% of abortions are immoral, I'll answer your question for you. You haven't told him why you think they are immoral, so how does he know what he is being...

It's funny...I embark on a proof, and all you can say is that "I'm not doing it." :shock: Well, I guess we'll have to throw the ball back in your court, and ask what it is you would accept as proof of objective morality. I'm ready to try, if you can say what you'd ever accept... :? I gave...

Yep. The most modest and minimal request that could ever be made of something genuinely "moral." That's all. Just that. And still, you cannot do it. Point made. I think the point he is making is that you can't do it, either, and I have to say I agree with him. It's funny...I embark on a p...

An excuse. You were only asked for one thing. One. It could not be simpler for you, and still, you cannot do it. QED. And you have been repeatedly asked for a single objective moral rule. Yep. The most modest and minimal request that could ever be made of something genuinely "moral." That...

It really is. It’s the ur-answer. If a supernatural power — ... And this is the moment you depart from Philosophy and retreat into a fantasy world of your own making. It is true that to entertain or believe what I suggested will jettison me from a particular and perhaps dominant strain in modern ph...

I genuinely believe that slavery is wrong, but I can't give you a rational explanation for that belief. I can give you a rational explanation as to why I don't want to be enslaved, but I can't give one for why it is wrong for anyone else to be. Now all you have to do is provide the rational explana...

The reason for that is simple. Subjectivism gives you no basis to do so at all. So you're realizing the truth of that. Then slavery is not wrong, in your world. It's just...unpalatable for the moment, but not wrong in any real or durable way. Again you arrive at Nihilism. Why don't you live there, ...

Well, are we both convinced that slavery is actually wrong? Or are you just saying, "I feel it is, but it might be just fine for the other Africans, or the Arabs, or for sex traffickers..." what are we agreeing here? You see, if I have just sentiment, and you have just sentiment, then wha...

Let's start with something you can be quite sure you and I can agree is morally right, or something we can both agree is morally wrong. I'll totally let you pick it. The field is wide open to you. What will you pick? Charity? Slavery? Racism? Theft? Educating women? Foreign aid? Feeding the hungry?...

I am much more curious about the strange phenomenon of objective moral truth, but nobody seems to have enough confidence in the idea to risk making a fool of himself by trying to explain it, except VA, of course, but the horse has already bolted in his case. Anything is possible, objective moral tr...