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- Sat May 04, 2024 10:11 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
I don't doubt that a lot of people do think of morality, or certain aspects of it, as something that corresponds to some sort of truth, but the topic is about what morality actually is, not what some people happen to believe it is. Well, we know what it isn't. It isn't "subjective." But t...
- Sat May 04, 2024 12:26 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9705
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
That's what most people seem to do...to say they disbelieve in objective moral truths, and that morality is all subjective, but then act as if their own beliefs are mostly objectively true anyway. 8) I don't imagine the average person makes the objective/subjective distinction. But, as the saying g...
- Fri May 03, 2024 11:48 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9705
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Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
If He's fictitious, it doesn't matter what you follow. There's no obligation to follow anything...not even your own whims. Even so, I think I will follow my whims, just in case they turn out to be objectively true. π That's what most people seem to do...to say they disbelieve in objective moral tru...
- Fri May 03, 2024 10:06 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9705
- Views: 886792
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Even the inventor of a subjective axiom is not morally obligated to follow it. So it isn't, in any intelligible sense at all, a "moral" edict. It's simply an arbitrary whim...a twinge. So the question is, do we follow our own arbitrary whims, or those of a fictitious god? π€ If He's fictit...
- Fri May 03, 2024 10:03 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 47
- Views: 745
- Fri May 03, 2024 9:37 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9705
- Views: 886792
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
So the question is, do we follow our own arbitrary whims, or those of a fictitious god?Immanuel Can wrote: βFri May 03, 2024 9:23 pm Even the inventor of a subjective axiom is not morally obligated to follow it. So it isn't, in any intelligible sense at all, a "moral" edict. It's simply an arbitrary whim...a twinge.
- Fri May 03, 2024 9:05 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9705
- Views: 886792
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Proceed to be ignored by those who don't happen to agree with it, and who may even have an alternative objective morality of their own, you mean?Immanuel Can wrote: βFri May 03, 2024 8:33 pm
For objective morality, your agreement is not required. Moral truth will proceed, regardless of you.
- Fri May 03, 2024 8:18 pm
- Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
- Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
- Replies: 704
- Views: 38909
Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Except nobody is likely to remember you for more than five minutes after they log out of the forum.Alexis Jacobi wrote: βFri May 03, 2024 8:02 pm Plato, Aristotle β mere children when I reflect on my own attainments.
- Fri May 03, 2024 8:12 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9705
- Views: 886792
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
My comment actually has zero to do with authority. It has to do with rationality. Your Subjectivism will not rationalize any explanation to the effect that anybody else should be concerned about what you think. That's definitional, since you believe that morality is entirely made up by individuals....
- Fri May 03, 2024 7:49 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 47
- Views: 745
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
Immanuel Can wrote: βFri May 03, 2024 7:38 pmWell, we're going to see about that.Harbal wrote: βFri May 03, 2024 7:34 pmThat's rich coming from someone who believes the Bible is literal truth.Immanuel Can wrote: βFri May 03, 2024 7:12 pm
Ironic. That's exactly why I don't bother with you...you're just never rational, it seems.
- Fri May 03, 2024 7:34 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 47
- Views: 745
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
That's rich coming from someone who believes the Bible is literal truth.Immanuel Can wrote: βFri May 03, 2024 7:12 pmIronic. That's exactly why I don't bother with you...you're just never rational, it seems.
- Fri May 03, 2024 7:32 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9705
- Views: 886792
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Nobody has to be concerned about what you think is right or wrong -- remember? That applies to anyone without authority of some kind. My comment actually has zero to do with authority. It has to do with rationality. Your Subjectivism will not rationalize any explanation to the effect that anybody e...
- Fri May 03, 2024 6:02 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9705
- Views: 886792
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Whether you "think" X or Y is right or wrong has zero impact on what God knows is actually right or wrong in a given situation. And what you say God knows about right or wrong has zero impact on what I think is right or wrong. Nobody has to be concerned about what you think is right or wr...
- Fri May 03, 2024 12:14 am
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
- Replies: 47
- Views: 745
Re: TRUMP AHEAD?
I'm gratified, actually. Talking with you has exposed to me the right route for debunking Subjectivism. And that, for me, has been the whole value of the debate in the first place: to improve our mutual understanding of the situation. We can both see Subjectivism's Achilles heel clearly. I'm quite ...
- Fri May 03, 2024 12:11 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
- Replies: 9705
- Views: 886792
Re: Is morality objective or subjective?
Because it means there's an independent Center of meaning. Things are right and wrong not because people think they are, but because they actually are, in their relation to the Center. That makes objectivity possible. Absent God as the Center, there's nothing one can invent that can substitute and ...