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by Harbal
Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:28 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9458
Views: 814154

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

No. It's possible for you to do various things God would prefer you didn't, and some He'd rather you do. But he knows what you're going to do, even when you don't yet know that. If what God knows will happen in the future is bound to happen, no matter what, I really can't see how that is anything o...
by Harbal
Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:27 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: tales of yesteryear....
Replies: 3
Views: 74

Re: tales of yesteryear....

tales of whimsy and of traveling the globe, of attacking windmills, but no mention of our modern concerns, profits, fame, material possessions, titles, and power.....these medieval/modern books were written for fun and entertainment and also attacking current institutions like the church and state ...
by Harbal
Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:42 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9458
Views: 814154

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Ultimately, it's you. You have alternatives, and you choose between them. So is it possible for me to do something other than what God already knows I will do? No. It's possible for you to do various things God would prefer you didn't, and some He'd rather you do. But he knows what you're going to ...
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:16 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9458
Views: 814154

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Well, your question was already answered: yes, God knows both all the alternatives among which you choose, and which choice you will make, but does not make you do anything. Well something must make me do whatever I end up doing. What do you suppose that something is? Ultimately, it's you. You have...
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:10 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9458
Views: 814154

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Again, "know" and "make" are two different verbs. That God knows what you will do does not even remotely imply He has to have made you do it. You can do it yourself. I didn't suggest he made me do anything, as you will see if you carefully read my question again. After which you...
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:56 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9458
Views: 814154

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

So he knows what the outcome of my choice will be once I have made the choice, but does he know what choice I will make before I make it? Again, "know" and "make" are two different verbs. That God knows what you will do does not even remotely imply He has to have made you do it....
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:25 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 533
Views: 20062

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

At least … you’re thinking! Intuition guided me to that conclusion more than thought did. A lazy flowing river might also. Following an adventurous fly, too. But try to arrive at the same conclusive result with an Aristotelian rigor. But (to quote Wizard) don’t strain the frail double-digits! 🥰 Don...
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:03 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 533
Views: 20062

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Alexis Jacobi wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:23 pm
Harbal wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:29 pm …but I think that is because you are quite nuts, and I have no particular insight into that sort of thing. Seriously, you are obviously not right in the head.
At least … you’re thinking!
Intuition guided me to that conclusion more than thought did.
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:00 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9458
Views: 814154

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Not "randomness," per se. Volition. That is, he created beings that could choose freely to do His will, or to do that which is actually contrary to what He would will for them. That's established very clearly from Genesis on forward...mankind is an entity that can choose "good" ...
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:29 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 533
Views: 20062

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

I align you with your fellow Landsman and brother Harbal. He is a man who cannot even conceive of what I refer to as *higher*. And you are a man with at least some intellectual wherewithal to destroy an alignment with that *higher set*. You are therefore excellent products for study. No, I cannot c...
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:18 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9458
Views: 814154

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

When God first created everything and set it all in motion, did he incorporate into his creation the potential for chance and randomness? Not "randomness," per se. Volition. That is, he created beings that could choose freely to do His will, or to do that which is actually contrary to wha...
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:58 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9458
Views: 814154

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

When I use the word "coercion," all I'm signifying is the belief that an external force (we could say it's God, or material causality, or even quantum mechanics) is supposed to be the real, ultimate, final explanation for what human beings do. In fact, anything other than the explanation ...
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:01 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 533
Views: 20062

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Wizard22 wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:28 am Religion will always be necessary because most of humanity lag behind moral, ethical, and spiritual development.

Hairball and Dpants being prime examples.
Shut up, you idiot. :|
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:07 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 533
Views: 20062

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

The “mass man” that Ortega y Gasset writes about is a phenomenon of our present, and we are all a part of it or subsumed in it. I wish I could find the words to express how little I care, and that desire makes me realise how important not caring is to me. It seems I do have a purpose, after all. 🙂 ...
by Harbal
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:07 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 533
Views: 20062

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Wizard22 wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:20 am
Harbal wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:20 amI wish I could find the words to express how little I care,
Try zero words then.
No can do.