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by Harbal
Sun May 05, 2024 9:01 am
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 64
Views: 943

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

Meanwhile, by the light of Moral Subjectivism, he remains a perfectly moral option for everybody else, Apparently not, according to some of the other comments on this thread. That's only because they're actually not Subjectivists. Just like you're not. What they actually believe is that their most ...
by Harbal
Sun May 05, 2024 12:21 am
Forum: The Lounge
Topic: What's your favorite verse from a song?
Replies: 9
Views: 109

Re: What's your favorite verse from a song?

Walker wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 11:33 pm Lots of favorites.


“On a clear day
Rise and look around you
And you will see who you are”

Does rain affect your vision, Walker?
by Harbal
Sun May 05, 2024 12:14 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9755
Views: 893533

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Let's suppose it can. Or let's suppose I'm impossible, but you are a moral agent. What can Subjectivism teach you about morality? It doesn't teach me anything, it guides my conduct. For example, it prohibits my going onto internet forums and lying about stuff. 😇 It doesn't, actually. You have a sub...
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 11:58 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 64
Views: 943

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

I'm not "forgetting" anything. I'm just asking how Moral Subjectivism can tell anybody anything about Trump, or anyone else, for that matter. I can't speak for anyone else, but my moral sensibilities tell me that there's something not right about having a lying scumbag running a country. ...
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 11:47 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9755
Views: 893533

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

:lol: Far from it. But I repeat the question: what can Moral Subjectivism teach us about morality? Can you name even one thing? I don't know that it can teach you anything. Let's suppose it can. Or let's suppose I'm impossible, but you are a moral agent. What can Subjectivism teach you about morali...
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 11:40 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 64
Views: 943

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

I'm not "forgetting" anything. I'm just asking how Moral Subjectivism can tell anybody anything about Trump, or anyone else, for that matter. I can't speak for anyone else, but my moral sensibilities tell me that there's something not right about having a lying scumbag running a country. ...
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 11:29 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 64
Views: 943

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

I have to say, guys, I'm amused by the nervousness. And I find it quite funny that Dem supporters actually think people should be all anxious and in knots about a possible second Trump term. If Trump does essentially what he did the last time in office, I'd say you have nothing to worry about. Rath...
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 11:21 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9755
Views: 893533

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

What does Moral Subjectivism have? It has you in a bit of a flap, by the look of it. 🙂 :lol: Far from it. But I repeat the question: what can Moral Subjectivism teach us about morality? Can you name even one thing? I don't know that it can teach you anything. What do you expect it to teach you? :? ...
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 9:48 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9755
Views: 893533

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Agreed. Most here seem to be stupified by the smoke-and-mirrors of Subjectivism. That's because they WANT to believe that there's an alternative "morality" to Objectivism, and they WANT to believe they have no rational obligation to be Nihilists, and they WANT not to have to change their ...
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 6:46 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9755
Views: 893533

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Well, we know what it isn't. It isn't "subjective." But the "we" you speak of seem to be very few; at least on this forum. Agreed. Most here seem to be stupified by the smoke-and-mirrors of Subjectivism. That's because they WANT to believe that there's an alternative "moral...
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 4:09 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 720
Views: 41557

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat May 04, 2024 3:38 pm I am trying to round up some funds for a very fine bicycle I have my eyes on. Would any of you deadbeats consider a PayPal donation?
From "excellent man" to charity case in one fell swoop. :|
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 3:52 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9755
Views: 893533

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I think the project of explaining where our moral values and codes come from - 'filling the actual gap' - is important. So I'm following your developing argument with interest. I think the title of your thread, "Is morality objective or subjective?", is a bit problematic; it leaves the qu...
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 1:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9755
Views: 893533

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I think the project of explaining where our moral values and codes come from - 'filling the actual gap' - is important. So I'm following your developing argument with interest. I think the title of your thread, "Is morality objective or subjective?", is a bit problematic; it leaves the qu...
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 10:11 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9755
Views: 893533

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

I don't doubt that a lot of people do think of morality, or certain aspects of it, as something that corresponds to some sort of truth, but the topic is about what morality actually is, not what some people happen to believe it is. Well, we know what it isn't. It isn't "subjective." But t...
by Harbal
Sat May 04, 2024 12:26 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9755
Views: 893533

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

That's what most people seem to do...to say they disbelieve in objective moral truths, and that morality is all subjective, but then act as if their own beliefs are mostly objectively true anyway. 8) I don't imagine the average person makes the objective/subjective distinction. But, as the saying g...