Search found 10172 matches

by Harbal
Mon Jun 03, 2024 5:25 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts
Replies: 225
Views: 2164

Re: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts

It burns your definition of "good" to nothing, because even you can't apply it. Got any better definition? Of course I can't apply the term, "good", to something I think is bad. :? Neither term has any objective reality, you say. So it doesn't matter. Nothing is objectively mora...
by Harbal
Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:41 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts
Replies: 225
Views: 2164

Re: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts

No...no...don't walk away from the issue. Do you approve of that list of malefactors and malefactions I listed in my earlier message, or do you recognize your proposed definition as seriously flawed? Yes? No? The final solution, for example, is something I consider to have been morally bad, so no, ...
by Harbal
Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:20 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts
Replies: 225
Views: 2164

Re: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts

Well, no...not unless you are approving of the listed acts and persons. And most people, it seems do not hold that moral assessment. So you're not saying what the term actually means, either analytically or by popular assumption. And you're not even saying what you, yourself believe, if you don't a...
by Harbal
Mon Jun 03, 2024 3:25 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts
Replies: 225
Views: 2164

Re: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts

That is precisely the point. "Morally good" is not at all the same as "functionally good," or "comestibly good," or "aesthetically good," or "musically good," or any number of other kinds of "good." But since we're talking about moral real...
by Harbal
Mon Jun 03, 2024 8:17 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts
Replies: 225
Views: 2164

Re: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts

The word, "good", in not exclusive to morality. It is a qualitative term, and can apply to anything. That is precisely the point. "Morally good" is not at all the same as "functionally good," or "comestibly good," or "aesthetically good," or "m...
by Harbal
Sun Jun 02, 2024 4:23 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 1017
Views: 17196

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

No doubt about it; definitely gibberish. :|
by Harbal
Sun Jun 02, 2024 4:19 pm
Forum: Political Philosophy
Topic: TRUMP AHEAD?
Replies: 1017
Views: 17196

Re: TRUMP AHEAD?

On the contrary, Gary Childress, you have yet to demonstrate the perceptiveness required to understand, as I'm sure many readers will attest. :wink: I know word salad when I see it, Walker. Been there done that, learned and moved on. Just waiting for you to evolve now. I prefer the word, gibberish.
by Harbal
Sat Jun 01, 2024 5:35 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts
Replies: 225
Views: 2164

Re: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts

It's not a threat. I have no power to enact any such thing, and don't pretend to. But I also don't have to convince you. You'll think and be convinced now, or you'll be convinced later. My job? I just have to tell you. Job done. We are here to argue about morality, not to make predictions about the...
by Harbal
Sat Jun 01, 2024 4:06 pm
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Hello From Emmanuel Katto Uganda
Replies: 35
Views: 1763

Re: Hello From Emmanuel Katto Uganda

Sure! Thinking of racist behaviour as, for example, treating black Africans as likely to be less moral than the rest of society in general , That's an example of something you judge as racist, but I asked for a definition of "racist", not for an example. have I persuaded you that, in cont...
by Harbal
Sat Jun 01, 2024 3:57 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts
Replies: 225
Views: 2164

Re: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts

Believe you me, it won't be. I'm afraid your threat is no more convincing than your argument. It's not a threat. I have no power to enact any such thing, and don't pretend to. But I also don't have to convince you. You'll think and be convinced now, or you'll be convinced later. My job? I just have...
by Harbal
Sat Jun 01, 2024 3:48 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts
Replies: 225
Views: 2164

Re: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts

No, because "religion" is merely a man-made attempt to appropriate the prerogatives of God, such as His right to set the terms of relationship with Him, and His right to define for us the Good. It is a diffuse and anthropomorphic thing. We can only get an objective good from God , as Mono...
by Harbal
Sat Jun 01, 2024 3:41 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts
Replies: 225
Views: 2164

Re: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts

We'll see. I think it's not, you think it is. We'll find out. What we may or may not find out sometime never, is irrelevant. Believe you me, it won't be. I'm afraid your threat is no more convincing than your argument. 🙂 If I may offer a bit of advice: never use the words, "believe me", w...
by Harbal
Sat Jun 01, 2024 3:11 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts
Replies: 225
Views: 2164

Re: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts

Or you can interpret that Plato's dialogue is written by that guy, in that society with all the attendant polytheistic assumptions intractably baked in as IC does. As Socrates does, actually. As you can see, he's at great pains to make sure he gets that point before proceeding with Euthyphro. And n...
by Harbal
Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:49 pm
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts
Replies: 225
Views: 2164

Re: Theism and Moral Realism are separate concepts

What you attribute to God as his nature, and how that determines morality, is a mere assumption that whatever the Bible says is true, but that is just a gratuitous allowance on your part. We'll see. I think it's not, you think it is. We'll find out. What we may or may not find out sometime never, i...
by Harbal
Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:35 pm
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Hello From Emmanuel Katto Uganda
Replies: 35
Views: 1763

Re: Hello From Emmanuel Katto Uganda

Have I persuaded you that, in context, this ... … (dont mention gold bullion or Prince Gabanji your uncle that just needs to unlock his bank account with a large deposit to make us all rich) ...was a little bit racist? If you would give me a precise definition of the word, "racist", I wil...