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by uwot
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:30 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

I'm still puzzled by the idea of underdetermination... Essentially it's just another way of saying that JTB is a myth. Professor Bloggs might be justified in believing something that, as it happens, is true - it's a fact, to use one of the meanings - but unless he or she can rule out every possible...
by uwot
Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:26 am
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

I'd like to pick up some points - for example about what constitutes a 'fact' and a 'model' here, and how it relates to what's been called physical determinism... What I understand as a fact is any phenomenal datum. A simple example being if you drop something and it falls to the floor. 'Model' is ...
by uwot
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:28 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

My only reservation would be that I don't understand what a 'fully determined' model - like a complete description - could possibly comprise - so the idea of underdetermination seems problematic. I'd like to pursue this, if you can help. I'll do my best. The way I understand it is that the problem ...
by uwot
Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:07 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

'Ere PH, would this be why you think Skepdick is a troll? Why try to placate a dumb philosopher? Being civil wasn't fruitful - I might as well amuse myself. Anyway, assuming you have any will left to discuss the content of your OP, it is simply rotten logic to conclude from the fact that all models ...
by uwot
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:36 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

Novel strings of words are incomprehensible when devoid of context. Here's a novel use of some strings: I have a bag of wonderful gipsy sticks. Google can't help you with inferring any plausible context in which somebody might use that phrase, so what is it that you "comprehend" about it? Well Skep...
by uwot
Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:25 am
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

If you didn't know Peter had a wife, the statement transmitted exactly 1 bit of information from Peter to yourself. Just for larks, I googled "If you didn't know Peter had a wife" and according to that, nobody has ever said it. One of your arguments was that novel strings of words are 'incomprehens...
by uwot
Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:41 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

Skepdick wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:24 pm
Only a Philosopher can be this stupid.
In fairness, some philosophers have said really stupid things, but l can't think of one that would claim the phrase 'I know my wife' is incomprehensible.
by uwot
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:35 am
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

Skepdick wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:00 am
Would this be a good time to point out you dodging my "Are you toying with my charity?" yes/no question?
No. Where did Peter Holmes say 'I know my wife' out of the blue?
by uwot
Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:36 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

Well, it appears to me that even you accept it never actually happened Who gets to decide whether it happened or not? If you are uncertain as to my (dis?)agreement on a particular issue you are welcome to ask me a direct question. Okie-dokie. Where did Peter Holmes say 'I know my wife' out of the b...
by uwot
Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:32 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

Well, that's woefully one-sided. So what is your decision? Has anyone said 'I know my wife' out of the blue? it appears that way to me. Which is why I asked for context/paraphrasing. Well, it appears to me that even you accept it never actually happened: Here is a tought experiment. You and Peter b...
by uwot
Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:57 am
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

I dare say, but neither PH nor I have said 'I know my wife' out of the blue. Dare I say it, but it's for the recipient of the sentence to decide that. Well, that's woefully one-sided. So what is your decision? Has anyone said 'I know my wife' out of the blue? Given that nobody has said it out of th...
by uwot
Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:00 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

...if you were to utter the word "Wife" out of the blue it would be as incoherent to me as if you were to utter the phrase "I know my wife" out of the blue. I dare say, but neither PH nor I have said 'I know my wife' out of the blue. ...I can't infer why you aren't bothering to check if the phrase ...
by uwot
Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:33 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

There's nothing in the text "I know my wife" - they are just symbols on a screen. They contain no inherent information. Apart from all the "common sense" that according to yourself doesn't even need saying. I use the word "cat" because my intention is to get you to hallucinate (read: imagine, pictu...
by uwot
Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:45 pm
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

I am projecting my own meaning onto the sentence "I know my wife". Right, so according to my understanding of 'incoherent', the sentence isn't incoherent. I know that you think "birthdays, work situation, background, tastes, physical features" etc. are necessary for "wife-knowledge". Well, no you d...
by uwot
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:04 am
Forum: Epistemology - Theory of Knowledge
Topic: Are all models wrong?
Replies: 157
Views: 1873

Re: Are all models wrong?

Terribly sloppy logic again, Skepdick: it doesn't follow from the fact that you "don't have any particulars" that neither do I. If it were logic it would be sloppy. What's sloppy is just your misinterpretation. It's a statement of observation, not a statement of logical inference. I take it that ne...