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by uwot
Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:02 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Good news!

I'd have to start by proving God exists, for example. Which you have not and cannot do. It is only your subjective belief that it does; hence there is no "rational legitimation" for your ethics. But look on the bright side, you are not going to be ethically tortured forever in a pit of fire if you ...
by uwot
Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:08 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Woof, woof.

..."morality" and "the desires of God" are identical in Monotheistic thought. Mr Can, you are free to define morality and the desires of god as you wish, but clearly the bible has fuck all to do with "Monotheistic thought". Morality (i.e. "what God desires") is human freedom... You can even use the...
by uwot
Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:20 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Re: What could make morality objective?

I'm still waiting for Mr Can's reformulation of his syllogism demonstrating that if there's a god, morality is objective. Perhaps furkling in his den under the bridge, he'll come up with it and enlighten us all. Or will he have the grace and humility to admit he was wrong and agree he's changed his...
by uwot
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:36 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Re: What could make morality objective?

uwot Sorry - I didn't mean that. I was joking too. Ah yes, I suppose the smiley is a bit of a giveaway. And I like your sense of humour - bit of light relief in the fog. Thank you. Anyway, Mr Can is now back under his bridge; he might woof at the moon in defiance, but only if he reads this. The mad...
by uwot
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:53 pm
Forum: Book Club
Topic: Golgotha Mining Station
Replies: 28
Views: 242

henry quirk wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:52 pm
The Law is mostly about people fuckin' with people.
Is there some sort of constitution, public forum or legal body that sets the rules?
by uwot
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:01 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Re: What could make morality objective?

Hi, uwot. That's neat. But I fear it's a bit of a mind-warp which may set off another distracting hare. Probably already has. :D Well, as I said, Mr Can pretends to ignore everything I write, so, while I'm usually making a serious point, it's a bit of a laugh to see if I can get him to respond obli...
by uwot
Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:03 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Re: What could make morality objective?

... I took for granted you'd be sufficiently astute to figure it out without further help. Mr Can, you took for granted that someone you should be sufficiently astute to figure out doesn't share your analytic definition of 'God', does share that definition. But I'll rephrase, and make it dead simpl...
by uwot
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:56 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Re: What could make morality objective?

Immanuel Can wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:30 pm
surreptitious57 wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:01 pm
Total anarchy cannot actually persist...
That's what makes totalitarianism of some kind such an attractive option to people.
Such as religion.
by uwot
Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:08 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Re: What could make morality objective?

Immanuel Can wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:16 pm
-- force of arms, force of indoctrination, force of peer pressure, force of tradition, or some other such force...
Mr Can, I salute you. You have just nailed religion.
by uwot
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:51 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Re: What could make morality objective?

Peter Holmes wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:24 pm
uwot

I hear you. But hope springs. And hope is different from expectation.
I hear you too. We can all hope.
by uwot
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:50 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Re: What could make morality objective?

...my argument would be that subjectivism can make no sense of the concept "morality"... That's because your concept of "morality" is "What my god says". If morality is taken to mean, among other things, 'the intension not to argue in a way that is divisive and self-righteous', it is very easy to m...
by uwot
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:16 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Re: What could make morality objective?

Peter Holmes wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:01 pm
...I'm hoping the question makes moral objectivists re-think their premise - recognise the mistake - and abandon it.
I admire your optimism.
by uwot
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:41 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 81
Views: 419

Re: What could make morality objective?

I think you have to get over the idea that human beings are perfectly rational. It is demonstrably the case that as a species we frequently have to make judgements without access to all the facts. It can also be the case that we make judgements based on no facts at all, or even in contrast to the fa...
by uwot
Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:02 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 154
Views: 813

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Immanuel Can wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:28 pm
How do I prove anything to you about a morality the reality of which -- if you're consistent -- you cannot even believe?
The thing is, Mr Can, those of us who can think don't have to believe.
by uwot
Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:19 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 154
Views: 813

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Thanks again, uwot. My pleasure. Wished I'd known I was a hamster in the Teflon Troll's wheel. Mind you, it's exercise both necessary and entertaining for hamsters. Well yes. I prefer it to crosswords, but I've been round that particular wheel myself and Mr Can no longer acknowledges me directly. O...