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by uwot
Mon May 25, 2020 2:59 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

The thing is you are demonstrably a liar and a cheat who will rip the heart out of the truth until it says what you want it to. That is EXACTLY how communication works! That's exactly how "being heard" works! I make words mean exactly what I want them to mean. It's a feature, not a bug. Fair enough...
by uwot
Mon May 25, 2020 11:45 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

Skepdick wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 8:48 am
And since you still don't "get it" - I'll spell it out for you.
Skepdick, this is based on you believing your own lie. Again, I did not say this:
Skepdick claims I wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 2:59 am
Oh please. There are 3 options...the probability of any one obtaining is 1 in 3.
by uwot
Mon May 25, 2020 11:41 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

My argument is (and continues to be) that you are more ignorant than I am when it comes to epistemology. I am still waiting for you to tell me how you determined the choice between underdetermination and overdetermination. Well if it's my greater ignorance you wish to demonstrate, that's not a good...
by uwot
Mon May 25, 2020 8:13 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

If you insist that both scenarios signify the same evidentiary weight, and therefore justifies equivalent belief is to exemplify statistical and contextual blindness. The odds will ALWAYS be 1:3. The probability of the outcome isn't 1:3. That's why I insist that philosophers are idiots. It's factua...
by uwot
Sun May 24, 2020 1:21 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

Yes Skepdick, I do. Do you see the absurdity of pretending that you calculated the odds of murder rates decreasing being 2:1 against from 500 years worth of data? It is 2:1 against! It's the inverse of 1:3 FOR. The odds for murder going UP were also 2:1 against (1:3 FOR) The odds for murder remaini...
by uwot
Sun May 24, 2020 11:58 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

Skepdick wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 11:45 am
Do you see a difference between 1/3 (calculated from a sample size of 5) and 1/3 (calculated from a sample size of 500000) ?
Yes Skepdick, I do. Do you see the absurdity of pretending that you calculated the odds of murder rates decreasing being 2:1 against from 500 years worth of data?
by uwot
Sun May 24, 2020 11:43 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

Skepdick wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 11:41 am
And that is what statistical ignorance looks like.
Fair enough Skepdick; educate me.
by uwot
Sun May 24, 2020 11:40 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

I didn't state my confidence interval. Somewhat intentionally, I left it implicit rather than explicit. For the benefit of anyone who thinks Skepdick isn't talking utter bollocks this is his argument: Murder rates can: 1. Go up. 2. Stay the same. 3. Go down. Given that there are 3 possibilities, th...
by uwot
Sun May 24, 2020 11:24 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

Peter Holmes wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 8:09 am
Sidebar - and sorry if this is obvious: the expression 'certain knowledge' is a misattribution, because it's those who 'have' knowledge who can be more or less certain. Certainty is an attitude or state-of-mind, and knowledge can have neither.
Well yeah, but I think we know what people mean by it.
by uwot
Sun May 24, 2020 11:21 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

The confidence interval is the semantic in which my assertion is meant to be interpreted. Uh huh. So show me where the confidence interval fits in here: The derivative of the mathematical function which represents the historical murder rate over centuries of data is a certain value. That value is n...
by uwot
Sun May 24, 2020 10:58 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

But all of existence (being, reality, the universe, the multiverse, the multi-multiverse, and all other inductive types) is the evidence for god?!? Granted. And a pile of presents by the chimney is evidence for Santa. And that's how underdeterminism works. Which is to say that it doesn't. Underdete...
by uwot
Sun May 24, 2020 10:48 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

At the risk of playing mind-reader here, what you seem to be misunderstanding is metaprobability/p-values/statistical significance. Context and all that. 1/3 (n=5) is not the same thing as 1/3 (n=500000). The value for n is a function of discretising time. Skepdick you wally, have another look: The...
by uwot
Sun May 24, 2020 10:37 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

Skepdick implied that I belong to, "The Certain Knowledge crowd," and I was pointing out, in philosophy today there is no such crowd. No philosopher of the last two hundred years has held that position--except me. If there is such a crowd it is a very small one. Well yeah, you can pull in the bound...
by uwot
Sat May 23, 2020 2:54 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

What, "certain knowledge crowd," would that be? Since Hume and Kant destroyed epistemology, there is not a single philosopher I know who holds the view of certain knowledge. Can you name any? Well, it's been the dream of rationalists to develop certain knowledge from a logically watertight foundati...
by uwot
Sat May 23, 2020 2:32 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3656
Views: 126795

Re: What could make morality objective?

Did I miss your response to this Skepdick? The derivative of the mathematical function which represents the historical murder rate over centuries of data is a certain value. That value is not positive (murder is not increasing), and it's not zero (murder is not steady). Murder is decreasing. That's ...