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- Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:13 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: God is...
- Replies: 62
- Views: 756
Re: God is...
Philosophy overrides Science and Mathematics You wish! Philosophy can never overrule mathematically unobjectionable proof. Philosophy can never overrule experimental test results. Only a counterexample test result can achieve that. https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?p=707228#p707228
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:12 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 64
- Views: 778
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Philosophy overrides Science and Mathematics You wish! Philosophy can never overrule mathematically unobjectionable proof. Philosophy can never overrule experimental test results. Only a counterexample test result can achieve that. Note my generic definition of philosophy. A counter example is fund...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:07 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: How to be a Moral Realist
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1081
Re: How to be a Moral Realist
It is a tragic shame that you cannot apply this insight to your posts on "objective morality", since you seem to be using the "geometric method" to impose your own will upon the moral landscape yet can have not objective justification for doing so. Don't be too hasty. I am not w...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:35 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: God is...
- Replies: 62
- Views: 756
Re: God is...
[Logic and mathematics are merely useful tool to facilitate science and other fields of knowledge. Mathematics has numerous downstream users but facilitating their work is not the goal of mathematics. It is merely a side effect of doing it right. The goal of mathematics is to discover the structure...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:33 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 64
- Views: 778
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
In addition of my critique of the failure of Godel's argument, here is one with reference to Kant: No, Kant is out of the game now. His arguments can no longer participate because they are not specifically directed at Gödel's axioms. Furthermore, Kant's main argument, i.e. the purported undefinabil...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:31 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 15
- Views: 197
Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Most philosophers accept the Godel's Ontological Argument is Unsuccessful; The Godel ontological argument has garnered quite a bit of attention in the last fifty years. In most cases, philosophers have agreed that the argument is unsuccessful but have disagreed vigorously over where exactly the fat...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:58 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 9905
- Views: 1060483
Re: What could make morality objective?
The reason for straw-manning an argument is to refute the straw man and pretend that that refutes the actual argument. And that's not what I'm doing. A straw man fallacy occurs when someone distorts or exaggerates another person’s argument, and then attacks the distorted version of the argument ins...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:40 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 13
Re: PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?
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- Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:39 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 13
PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?
No, I'm not distorting your argument. I'm showing why it is, in fact, philosophically realist. I know you think it isn't. But what you're supposed to do is address my reasons for saying it is. Which you don't. Again. You say your argument is not philosophically realist, and I say it is - and I show...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:24 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 15
- Views: 197
Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Most philosophers accept the Godel's Ontological Argument is Unsuccessful; The Godel ontological argument has garnered quite a bit of attention in the last fifty years. In most cases, philosophers have agreed that the argument is unsuccessful but have disagreed vigorously over where exactly the fata...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:30 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 15
- Views: 197
Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Questions: Godel's Ontological Proof is based on higher order logic. What is so great and grant about higher order logic? Isn't it conditioned upon logic-in-general where as Kant's stated, the advantage of logic is in its limitation, i.e. the reliance on abstractions rather than particular. You're r...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:15 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: God is...
- Replies: 62
- Views: 756
Re: God is...
Using mathematics as a tool in science does not give the assurance of certainty that the mathematical proof of God [Godel] is real. Gödel mapped the claim onto five other claims and has done this in a mathematically unobjectionable manner. That is all there is to it. It just means that from now on ...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:11 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 64
- Views: 778
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
My practical view on the matter is rather that there is now mathematically unobjectionable proof for religion while there isn't one for atheism. Secondly, Godel's proof raises the bar because all criticism must be directed at its axioms, which are expressed in higher-order modal logic, which I do n...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:04 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 15
- Views: 197
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:03 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 15
- Views: 197
The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Reference: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/#GodOntArg One of the criticism of Godel's Ontological Argument with reference to Kant , from the above link is the following: " Kant would not have been happy with Axiom 5 [Necessary existence is positive]; and there is at lea...