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- Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:35 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: God is...
- Replies: 61
- Views: 747
Re: God is...
[Logic and mathematics are merely useful tool to facilitate science and other fields of knowledge. Mathematics has numerous downstream users but facilitating their work is not the goal of mathematics. It is merely a side effect of doing it right. The goal of mathematics is to discover the structure...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:33 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 63
- Views: 774
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
In addition of my critique of the failure of Godel's argument, here is one with reference to Kant: No, Kant is out of the game now. His arguments can no longer participate because they are not specifically directed at Gödel's axioms. Furthermore, Kant's main argument, i.e. the purported undefinabil...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:31 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 15
- Views: 189
Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Most philosophers accept the Godel's Ontological Argument is Unsuccessful; The Godel ontological argument has garnered quite a bit of attention in the last fifty years. In most cases, philosophers have agreed that the argument is unsuccessful but have disagreed vigorously over where exactly the fat...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:58 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
- Replies: 9905
- Views: 1060446
Re: What could make morality objective?
The reason for straw-manning an argument is to refute the straw man and pretend that that refutes the actual argument. And that's not what I'm doing. A straw man fallacy occurs when someone distorts or exaggerates another person’s argument, and then attacks the distorted version of the argument ins...
- Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:40 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 13
Re: PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?
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- Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:39 am
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 13
PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?
No, I'm not distorting your argument. I'm showing why it is, in fact, philosophically realist. I know you think it isn't. But what you're supposed to do is address my reasons for saying it is. Which you don't. Again. You say your argument is not philosophically realist, and I say it is - and I show...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:24 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 15
- Views: 189
Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Most philosophers accept the Godel's Ontological Argument is Unsuccessful; The Godel ontological argument has garnered quite a bit of attention in the last fifty years. In most cases, philosophers have agreed that the argument is unsuccessful but have disagreed vigorously over where exactly the fata...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:30 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 15
- Views: 189
Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Questions: Godel's Ontological Proof is based on higher order logic. What is so great and grant about higher order logic? Isn't it conditioned upon logic-in-general where as Kant's stated, the advantage of logic is in its limitation, i.e. the reliance on abstractions rather than particular. You're r...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:15 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: God is...
- Replies: 61
- Views: 747
Re: God is...
Using mathematics as a tool in science does not give the assurance of certainty that the mathematical proof of God [Godel] is real. Gödel mapped the claim onto five other claims and has done this in a mathematically unobjectionable manner. That is all there is to it. It just means that from now on ...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:11 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 63
- Views: 774
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
My practical view on the matter is rather that there is now mathematically unobjectionable proof for religion while there isn't one for atheism. Secondly, Godel's proof raises the bar because all criticism must be directed at its axioms, which are expressed in higher-order modal logic, which I do n...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:04 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 15
- Views: 189
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:03 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
- Replies: 15
- Views: 189
The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Reference: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/#GodOntArg One of the criticism of Godel's Ontological Argument with reference to Kant , from the above link is the following: " Kant would not have been happy with Axiom 5 [Necessary existence is positive]; and there is at lea...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:01 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 63
- Views: 774
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Numbers by themselves are absolutely Mathematics. 1, 2, 3, 4. Numbers paired WITH UNITS are not Mathematics. 1 APPLE 2 APPLES Here's AI's [wR] views. No, numbers by themselves are not considered mathematics. Mathematics is the study of concepts like numbers, their properties, relationships, and str...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:54 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: God is...
- Replies: 61
- Views: 747
Re: God is...
Science in its essence [modern science] do not ground itself on mathematical realism . Note there is the counter, mathematical antirealism. Realism versus antirealism is undecidable in mathematics. Science simply inherits this problem through its quantitative methods. Mathematics being a tool is no...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:46 am
- Forum: Philosophy of Religion
- Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
- Replies: 63
- Views: 774
Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Godelian's claimed; Godel's God is true, thus real. My practical view on the matter is rather that there is now mathematically unobjectionable proof for religion while there isn't one for atheism. Secondly, Godel's proof raises the bar because all criticism must be directed at its axioms, which are...