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by Veritas Aequitas
Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:35 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: God is...
Replies: 61
Views: 747

Re: God is...

[Logic and mathematics are merely useful tool to facilitate science and other fields of knowledge. Mathematics has numerous downstream users but facilitating their work is not the goal of mathematics. It is merely a side effect of doing it right. The goal of mathematics is to discover the structure...
by Veritas Aequitas
Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:33 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Replies: 63
Views: 774

Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic

In addition of my critique of the failure of Godel's argument, here is one with reference to Kant: No, Kant is out of the game now. His arguments can no longer participate because they are not specifically directed at Gödel's axioms. Furthermore, Kant's main argument, i.e. the purported undefinabil...
by Veritas Aequitas
Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:31 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Replies: 15
Views: 189

Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God

Most philosophers accept the Godel's Ontological Argument is Unsuccessful; The Godel ontological argument has garnered quite a bit of attention in the last fifty years. In most cases, philosophers have agreed that the argument is unsuccessful but have disagreed vigorously over where exactly the fat...
by Veritas Aequitas
Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:58 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9905
Views: 1060446

Re: What could make morality objective?

The reason for straw-manning an argument is to refute the straw man and pretend that that refutes the actual argument. And that's not what I'm doing. A straw man fallacy occurs when someone distorts or exaggerates another person’s argument, and then attacks the distorted version of the argument ins...
by Veritas Aequitas
Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:40 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?
Replies: 1
Views: 13

Re: PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?

Notes: KIV
by Veritas Aequitas
Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:39 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?
Replies: 1
Views: 13

PH: VA is a Philosophical Realist?

No, I'm not distorting your argument. I'm showing why it is, in fact, philosophically realist. I know you think it isn't. But what you're supposed to do is address my reasons for saying it is. Which you don't. Again. You say your argument is not philosophically realist, and I say it is - and I show...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:24 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Replies: 15
Views: 189

Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God

Most philosophers accept the Godel's Ontological Argument is Unsuccessful; The Godel ontological argument has garnered quite a bit of attention in the last fifty years. In most cases, philosophers have agreed that the argument is unsuccessful but have disagreed vigorously over where exactly the fata...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:30 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Replies: 15
Views: 189

Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God

Questions: Godel's Ontological Proof is based on higher order logic. What is so great and grant about higher order logic? Isn't it conditioned upon logic-in-general where as Kant's stated, the advantage of logic is in its limitation, i.e. the reliance on abstractions rather than particular. You're r...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:15 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: God is...
Replies: 61
Views: 747

Re: God is...

Using mathematics as a tool in science does not give the assurance of certainty that the mathematical proof of God [Godel] is real. Gödel mapped the claim onto five other claims and has done this in a mathematically unobjectionable manner. That is all there is to it. It just means that from now on ...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:11 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Replies: 63
Views: 774

Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic

My practical view on the matter is rather that there is now mathematically unobjectionable proof for religion while there isn't one for atheism. Secondly, Godel's proof raises the bar because all criticism must be directed at its axioms, which are expressed in higher-order modal logic, which I do n...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:03 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Replies: 15
Views: 189

The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God

Reference: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/#GodOntArg One of the criticism of Godel's Ontological Argument with reference to Kant , from the above link is the following: " Kant would not have been happy with Axiom 5 [Necessary existence is positive]; and there is at lea...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:01 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Replies: 63
Views: 774

Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic

Numbers by themselves are absolutely Mathematics. 1, 2, 3, 4. Numbers paired WITH UNITS are not Mathematics. 1 APPLE 2 APPLES Here's AI's [wR] views. No, numbers by themselves are not considered mathematics. Mathematics is the study of concepts like numbers, their properties, relationships, and str...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:54 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: God is...
Replies: 61
Views: 747

Re: God is...

Science in its essence [modern science] do not ground itself on mathematical realism . Note there is the counter, mathematical antirealism. Realism versus antirealism is undecidable in mathematics. Science simply inherits this problem through its quantitative methods. Mathematics being a tool is no...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:46 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Replies: 63
Views: 774

Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic

Godelian's claimed; Godel's God is true, thus real. My practical view on the matter is rather that there is now mathematically unobjectionable proof for religion while there isn't one for atheism. Secondly, Godel's proof raises the bar because all criticism must be directed at its axioms, which are...