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by Veritas Aequitas
Fri May 14, 2021 7:34 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 128
Views: 1178

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

... we can't get outside our own minds. What does your phrase, "outside our own minds," refer to? You as that "human mind", can't be outside that "human mind". You can't be outside yourself. VA thinks that this proves that the human mind (where the "human conditions" are) has no outside. Here is a ...
by Veritas Aequitas
Fri May 14, 2021 7:24 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 128
Views: 1178

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

As such, indirect realism is one-up on naive realism as a theory of reality, but indirect realism is still flawed since it assumed there is still an objective reality out there. That's not a flaw, it's the only reasonable guess. It's simply the case that no matter how we conceive of this objective ...
by Veritas Aequitas
Fri May 14, 2021 7:09 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 128
Views: 1178

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

First of all, you have no idea what, "the normal person," or anyone else sees. The subjective experience of, "seeing," cannot be examined or studied by anyone. All you have for, "evidence," is the testimony of others who claim to be able to see. Perhaps you see two curved red lines, as you claim. I...
by Veritas Aequitas
Fri May 14, 2021 6:59 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 128
Views: 1178

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

What is perception or seeing is a culmination of a set of complex processes. And you know exactly what those processes are and exactly how they produce what you call, "seeing." Is that right? Because otherwise you are just guessing or presuming those processes (which I very much doubt you can actua...
by Veritas Aequitas
Fri May 14, 2021 6:03 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 128
Views: 1178

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

In other words, it's from the definition according to whom ? I had already given the link; again, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%C3%AFve_realism That definition neither explicitly says nor implies the notion of perception being infallible under naive realism. In fact, that Wikipedia article expli...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu May 13, 2021 8:29 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 128
Views: 1178

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

Terrapin Station wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 8:11 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 7:26 am
Terrapin Station wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 11:48 am

No, this is wrong. Where are you getting this from?
I stated 'in principle'.
That is from the definition of what is naive realism.
In other words, it's from the definition according to whom?
I had already given the link;
again,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%C3%AFve_realism
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu May 13, 2021 8:28 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 128
Views: 1178

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

In the case of the Charles Bonnet Syndrome, the person cannot avoid the illusions due to his state of mind. Thus even if the person is told of the illusion, it will still happen again and again and the only way is for the person to rationalize it away. But the problem is when the person is not awar...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu May 13, 2021 8:06 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 128
Views: 1178

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

The 'normal' person will see the two red lines as 'bend'. Actually both the red lines are straight and parallel, you can confirm this by seeing them from the side of your computer screen instead of directly. First of all, you have no idea what, "the normal person," or anyone else sees. The subjecti...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu May 13, 2021 7:26 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 128
Views: 1178

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

Terrapin Station wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 11:48 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 6:59 am Actually Naive Realism in principle do not provide for errors and illusions.
No, this is wrong. Where are you getting this from?
I stated 'in principle'.
That is from the definition of what is naive realism.
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu May 13, 2021 7:23 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Prove An Independent Reality-in-Itself Exists
Replies: 355
Views: 5516

Re: Prove An Independent Reality-in-Itself Exists

You didn't understand at least two of those writers then. Perhaps you didn't draw enough flow charts. The later-Wittgenstein is obviously anti-philosophical_realism. As for Rorty, he claimed he is neither realist nor anti-realist. But like I say, if one is not a realist then one is an anti-realist,...
by Veritas Aequitas
Wed May 12, 2021 8:59 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Prove An Independent Reality-in-Itself Exists
Replies: 355
Views: 5516

Re: Prove An Independent Reality-in-Itself Exists

I raised the above OP to support my point [within the discussion in the Ethical Theory section] that there is no fact-in-itself, thus no moral-fact-in-itself. What could make morality objective? by Peter Holmes https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24601 Since there are no moral-fact-...
by Veritas Aequitas
Wed May 12, 2021 8:31 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Prove An Independent Reality-in-Itself Exists
Replies: 355
Views: 5516

Re: Prove An Independent Reality-in-Itself Exists

If you researched into Kant's work, as I had said there are two 'main' camps. What is the issue where I agree more with one camp from the other? There are many camps in which Kant's scholarship can be divided depending on many criteria. One criterion that is not one of those is what you agree with ...
by Veritas Aequitas
Wed May 12, 2021 8:09 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Prove An Independent Reality-in-Itself Exists
Replies: 355
Views: 5516

Re: Prove An Independent Reality-in-Itself Exists

Note Kant did not claim time and space only exist in minds. What Kant claimed is space and time are imperative human-conditions of human cognition of reality [things, objects, etc.] As such whatever are things in time and space cannot be independent of the human conditions. What is real must exist ...
by Veritas Aequitas
Wed May 12, 2021 7:07 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Prove An Independent Reality-in-Itself Exists
Replies: 355
Views: 5516

Re: Prove An Independent Reality-in-Itself Exists

All that reading of Wittgenstein, Rorty, and whoever your "Ash Heap of History" dude is has gone completely to waste if you can't see a problem with that statement. Point is when Wittgenstein, Rorty, and that "Ash Heap of History" dude rejected the philosophical realists' position, they are automat...
by Veritas Aequitas
Wed May 12, 2021 6:59 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror
Replies: 128
Views: 1178

Re: Realists as Animals Cannot Recognize Themselves in a Mirror

Naive realism will provide for perceptual errors and illusions only where it is very obvious. It's rather just that there need to be evidential grounds for errors/illusions. Actually Naive Realism in principle do not provide for errors and illusions. It is only the individuals who are in the know m...