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by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:24 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Replies: 10
Views: 143

Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God

Most philosophers accept the Godel's Ontological Argument is Unsuccessful; The Godel ontological argument has garnered quite a bit of attention in the last fifty years. In most cases, philosophers have agreed that the argument is unsuccessful but have disagreed vigorously over where exactly the fata...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:30 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Replies: 10
Views: 143

Re: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God

Questions: Godel's Ontological Proof is based on higher order logic. What is so great and grant about higher order logic? Isn't it conditioned upon logic-in-general where as Kant's stated, the advantage of logic is in its limitation, i.e. the reliance on abstractions rather than particular. You're r...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:15 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: God is...
Replies: 58
Views: 729

Re: God is...

Using mathematics as a tool in science does not give the assurance of certainty that the mathematical proof of God [Godel] is real. Gödel mapped the claim onto five other claims and has done this in a mathematically unobjectionable manner. That is all there is to it. It just means that from now on ...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:11 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Replies: 61
Views: 758

Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic

My practical view on the matter is rather that there is now mathematically unobjectionable proof for religion while there isn't one for atheism. Secondly, Godel's proof raises the bar because all criticism must be directed at its axioms, which are expressed in higher-order modal logic, which I do n...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:03 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God
Replies: 10
Views: 143

The Soundness [???] of Godel's Argument for God

Reference: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/#GodOntArg One of the criticism of Godel's Ontological Argument with reference to Kant , from the above link is the following: " Kant would not have been happy with Axiom 5 [Necessary existence is positive]; and there is at lea...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:01 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Replies: 61
Views: 758

Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic

Numbers by themselves are absolutely Mathematics. 1, 2, 3, 4. Numbers paired WITH UNITS are not Mathematics. 1 APPLE 2 APPLES Here's AI's [wR] views. No, numbers by themselves are not considered mathematics. Mathematics is the study of concepts like numbers, their properties, relationships, and str...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:54 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: God is...
Replies: 58
Views: 729

Re: God is...

Science in its essence [modern science] do not ground itself on mathematical realism . Note there is the counter, mathematical antirealism. Realism versus antirealism is undecidable in mathematics. Science simply inherits this problem through its quantitative methods. Mathematics being a tool is no...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:46 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Replies: 61
Views: 758

Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic

Godelian's claimed; Godel's God is true, thus real. My practical view on the matter is rather that there is now mathematically unobjectionable proof for religion while there isn't one for atheism. Secondly, Godel's proof raises the bar because all criticism must be directed at its axioms, which are...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:26 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: God is...
Replies: 58
Views: 729

Re: God is...

Fermat's Last Theorem is merely a conjecture. It is a provable theorem. Andrew Wiles has finally discovered the proof. It took 350 years to achieve that. For his proof, Wiles was honoured and received numerous awards, including the 2016 Abel Prize. 1995 - 1637 = 358 years. It is not a conjecture. M...
by Veritas Aequitas
Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:03 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9903
Views: 1059692

Re: What could make morality objective?

You insist my argument is realist[P] when to me it is not. Therefrom you rely on your misunderstanding to condemn what you think is my argument [i.e. p-realist]. If that is not a strawman fallacy, then what it is. No, I'm not distorting your argument. I'm showing why it is, in fact, philosophically...
by Veritas Aequitas
Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:24 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Replies: 61
Views: 758

Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic

You really don't seem to have any grasp on the relevance of the formal sciences; and how they have long superseded philosophy in all matters scientific. Computer science ≡ Analytic Philosophy Can you eat X apples for any X? How about -2 apples? Or √-1 apples? Or π apples? I don't understand your po...
by Veritas Aequitas
Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:59 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Replies: 61
Views: 758

Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic

Numbers is not mathematics per se. A numeral say 2 by itself is not mathematics which is grounded on its 'proofs'. Stating I have eaten 2 apples has nothing to do with mathematics at all. You really don't seem to have any grasp on the relevance of the formal sciences; and how they have long superse...
by Veritas Aequitas
Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:54 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: God is...
Replies: 58
Views: 729

Re: God is...

. I claim science is the best and most credible among many other ways to truth and reality AT PRESENT. If a problem lends itself to provability, then you should try that first. If not; If a problem lends itself to experimental testing, by all means, go for it. If not; If a problem lends itself to p...
by Veritas Aequitas
Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:44 am
Forum: Philosophy of Religion
Topic: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic
Replies: 61
Views: 758

Re: Godel's Argument For God is Not Realistic

Science like Physics and other do adopt mathematics to refine their conclusions, but Science do not fall apart without mathematics, here is why: Here's from AI[wR]: Science can reach its conclusion without mathematics: Qualitative Observations: Science starts with observing the world. We can see th...