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by Nick_A
Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:22 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

But it is the chain of collectives that have the power. Not necessarily, though we should really worry about that. Collectives tend to do bad things. What usually happens is this: the masses get mobilized around a common cause. A collective is formed. The cause is then put forward with violence or ...
by Nick_A
Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:13 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

I C Linear time is abundantly described in Scripture. That's why, Nick. And I might add that scientifically, the idea that the universe is linear and not cyclical is also beyond reasonable debate. The matter has essentially been settled since the 1960s, although the evidence for it was actually foun...
by Nick_A
Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:10 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:50 pm We can't afford to romanticize the idea of "the many" using their power to destroy less powerful groups. They've done it too often, throughout history, and have justified their actions on the theory that "the many" can't be wrong, no matter what they do...
by Nick_A
Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:03 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

I C The Christian timeline is linear, not cyclical. Moreover, as I said earlier, the universe is not "the body of God." God and the universe are distinct, in Christianity: the former is necessary and eternal, and the latter is contingent and created by the former. The very thing which is now called ...
by Nick_A
Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:43 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

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I C Well, one primary difference between a sort of mystic monism and Christianity is that God is not the same as His Creation. Agreed. If the universe is the body of God serving the cyclical process of existence it cannot be God that IS. God cannot be creation. Creation takes place within NOW or wha...
by Nick_A
Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:34 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

Immanuel Can wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:12 am
Nick_A wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:53 pm
The diverse interacting manifestations of Creation are the body of God.
Yeah, RC is right...that isn't Christianity.
So then what is Christianity? What is its meaning and purpose?
by Nick_A
Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:47 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

...the dualistic animal mind.... I'm not sure why you add the word "dualistic." Do you mean that you think some kind of monism is true, and metanoia means becoming a monist? What would your support be for the view that monism is true, in that case? I think we're still not clear on the mechanism of ...
by Nick_A
Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:53 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

...being born again is the experience of a new perspective... I think you'll find that, in John 3, for example, it's a good deal more than that. One can get one's own "new perspective." But this is a birth from God, one distinct from the first. It's not something that comes with the first birth, as...
by Nick_A
Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:00 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

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Obviously we have different understandings as to the meaning and purpose of Christianity. I don't believe in the personal God so there is nothing to appease. All religion and mysticism is nonsense, and most of it is not only wrong, but dangerous. But most people do embrace some form of superstition...
by Nick_A
Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:07 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

...the awakening of spiritual man and the loss of attachments to natural man requires a psychological separation the recognition of which is intolerable for the secular world. Well, the process isn't described as an "awakening." In an "awakening," the potential is already in a person. It's describe...
by Nick_A
Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:42 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

What? Nobody dies anymore? When did this happen? I'm pretty sure people are still dying around here, and as far as I can tell, are part of humanity. Perhaps Jesus' defeat of death only works for some of humanity. Is that right? Yes Jesus said to let the dead bury their dead. Unfortunately there are...
by Nick_A
Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:56 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

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Jesus ... His individuality defeated death for humanity. What? Nobody dies anymore? When did this happen? I'm pretty sure people are still dying around here, and as far as I can tell, are part of humanity. Perhaps Jesus' defeat of death only works for some of humanity. Is that right? Yes Jesus said...
by Nick_A
Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:42 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

Jesus was a true individual... In regard to having personal dependencies, yes. In regard to seeking approval from authorities, yes. But for his disciples, his directions were often communitarian, not merely individualistic. The desert ascetics of the early centuries got that idea wrong. The point w...
by Nick_A
Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:24 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

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I C Well, I'll warrant that you don't know any either. You may know somebody who TALKS that way, but he doesn't live in total independence of others. Nobody actually lives that way. Anybody who says he does, but lives in any civilization at all, is simply not aware of how much he relies on others. I...
by Nick_A
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:54 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Individualism vs. Collectivism
Replies: 193
Views: 1481

Re: Individualism vs. Collectivism

Where did this idea come from. It certainly come from Craig Biddle, who is a Randian Objectivist, and he certainly didn't get it from Ayn Rand. It's not true in any case. Society has no purpose. A society is simply what it is, a collective term for all the individuals in a geographic area that inte...