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by Ginkgo
Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:18 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Let me try and summarize the state of play so far. You argue every moral philosopher is saying that Kantian ethics is not objective, whereas, I am saying that the majority of philosophers argue that Kantian ethics is objective. The sticking point is what most moral philosophers say about Kant. Woul...
by Ginkgo
Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:29 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

What that means is that Kant is not providing us with the requisite moral information. Other systems, some of which flatly contradict his conclusions, are being treated as equal and alternative. So take, for example, Kant's claim that you should turn your friend over to soldiers if hiding him impli...
by Ginkgo
Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:50 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Is God necessary for morality? Wrong question! Is morality necessary? For what? We all need moral code to live by, unless of course you are an amoralist. You answer is circular given the question I asked you. To say that you need morality, is to say that morality is necessary. What is it necessary ...
by Ginkgo
Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:22 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Double post, sorry.
by Ginkgo
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:02 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Are you saying that Kantian ethics is not objective? Not only am I saying it, so is every moral philosopher since Kant. I am not sure what you want me to prove. I wanted you to show that Kant was a solution to how one could have a justified, necessary, objective morality without reference to God. A...
by Ginkgo
Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:13 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Skepdick wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:01 pm
Is God necessary for morality? Wrong question!

Is morality necessary? For what?
We all need moral code to live by, unless of course you are an amoralist.
by Ginkgo
Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:07 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Not justifiably. You could only say, "Well, I prefer to think Kant was right, though I have no reasons to know he was more right than anyone else, and though as a secular person, I don't believe the morality he articulated was objectively referring to anything -- and even though you are a utilitari...
by Ginkgo
Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:02 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Hmmm... a trivial conclusion. A person who has no belief in God can behave in any way he/she happens to choose...moral, immoral, amoral...whatever suits his/her disposition. That's not at all a surprising claim...and one hardly worth even stating, since it has no important implications. What's the ...
by Ginkgo
Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:26 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Well, of course not. comments? Hmmm... a trivial conclusion. A person who has no belief in God can behave in any way he/she happens to choose...moral, immoral, amoral...whatever suits his/her disposition. That's not at all a surprising claim...and one hardly worth even stating, since it has no impo...
by Ginkgo
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:49 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Re: To whom and why is god necessary for morality?

But you have not said anything as to necessary to whom or for what purpose. Well, the original idea behind christianity was catholicism. Catholic just means 'for everyone'. At the time Rome would go out into their neighbourhood, and mug the locals. But then to keep the economy expanding, they had t...
by Ginkgo
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:32 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

VVilliam wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:37 am
Why and in what ways, you don't say.
There are many ethical theories that have nothing to do with Christian ethics.
by Ginkgo
Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:20 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 40
Views: 395

Is God necessary for morality?

Well, of course not.

comments?
by Ginkgo
Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:37 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective? 2
Replies: 15
Views: 535

Re: What could make morality objective? 2

What could make morality objective? 2 In the OP below, Peter contended that Morality cannot be objective. What could make morality objective? https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24601 Peter argued; To be objective, there must be an object [moral judgment] that is a matters of fact [...
by Ginkgo
Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:36 am
Forum: The Lounge
Topic: Trump: acquitted
Replies: 167
Views: 4753

Re: Trump: acquitted

At some point we have to be smart, and say, "A little socialization of programs won't kill us economically. But it can't be everything. It can't even be most things. So we've got to prioritize and minimize here." The whole idea is that they don't make money. These programmes are essential and for t...
by Ginkgo
Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:30 am
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 3934
Views: 144040

Re: What could make morality objective?

Morality is both subjective and objective. Morality to some extent depends upon human motivation and that morality is not just a matter of inclination, taste, or preference. Rather it is something objective; or at lease Kant thought so.Common sense tells us that that morality involves both a subject...