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by Ginkgo
Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:11 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Noumenon
Replies: 49
Views: 545

Re: Noumenon

The noumenon may be considered timeless and spaceless because it is not in time and space. I think this is basically correct. The noumenon is universal and therefore transcends time and space. If it wasn't timeless and spaceless then it would be phenomena Have you taken into account of what I wrote...
by Ginkgo
Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:12 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Noumenon
Replies: 49
Views: 545

Re: Noumenon

owl of Minerva wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:55 pm The noumenon may be considered timeless and spaceless because it is not in time and space.
I think this is basically correct. The noumenon is universal and therefore transcends time and space. If it wasn't timeless and spaceless then it would be phenomena
by Ginkgo
Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:32 pm
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Noumenon
Replies: 49
Views: 545

Re: Noumenon

raw_thought wrote: Can anyone explain why Kant's Noumenon is considered timeless and spaceless? We can debate later if the Noumenon is real or not.
The only thing I can think of is that the noumenon is universal and therefore transcends time and space, a bit like Plato's Forms.
by Ginkgo
Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:02 am
Forum: Metaphysics
Topic: Noumenon
Replies: 49
Views: 545

Re: Noumenon

raw_thought wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:37 pm Can anyone explain why Kant's Noumenon is considered timeless and spaceless? We can debate later if the Noumenon is real or not.
The only thing I can think of is that the noumenon is universal and therefore transcends time and space, a bit like Plato's Forms.
by Ginkgo
Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:02 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 427
Views: 8110

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Of what "predictions" are you thinking, G? Quantum physics deals with the behaviour of matter and light on an atomic and subatomic level. For example, quantum physics is used to calculate such things as energy and the magnetic property of atoms, it is also used to calculate the relationship between...
by Ginkgo
Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:32 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 427
Views: 8110

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

...quantum mechanics is responsible for some of the most accurate predictions in all of science. Of what "predictions" are you thinking, G? Quantum physics deals with the behaviour of matter and light on an atomic and subatomic level. For example, quantum physics is used to calculate such things as...
by Ginkgo
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:05 pm
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 427
Views: 8110

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

The difference between philosophical speculation and scientific speculation is that with scientific speculation the empirical evidence is out there. "Out there?" :shock: "Out there?" How do you know what's "out there," with no empirical evidence? I mean, the proponents of the 10 or so current quant...
by Ginkgo
Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:20 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 427
Views: 8110

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

But then, by definition, it's not science. It's philosophical speculation, just as the critics have already said. And I think we are unwise to pronounce in advance that empirical evidence will appear in the future. After all, how would we know, absent any empirical evidence? :shock: The difference ...
by Ginkgo
Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:08 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 427
Views: 8110

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Well, of course not. comments? Admittedly, I have not read all of the replies in this thread, so I apologize if the following has already been mentioned. With that being said, if we consider the possibility that God may indeed be the Creator and sustainer of the universe, then the notion of God not...
by Ginkgo
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:57 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 427
Views: 8110

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

The more I think about it the more I realize that you have this the wrong way round. A universe from something makes more sense. A universe from nothing makes no sense at all and I am sure Krauss knows this. But a God from nothing totally makes sense, yea? As soon as you allow for "First Cause from...
by Ginkgo
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:41 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 427
Views: 8110

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Most of what we have been talking about is immaterial now you know that Krauss is NOT postulating a universe from nothing. Well, Krauss is irrelevant, you mean. What we've seen is that his theory doesn't give us a universe from nothing, so all he's done is speculate one additional causal step backw...
by Ginkgo
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:23 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 427
Views: 8110

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

Belinda wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:30 am Recent exchanges between Immanuel Can and Ginkgo are interesting and I wonder what God's agency in the creation of nature has to do with right and wrong.
Probably nothing.
I get the impression that you are a pantheist.
by Ginkgo
Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:46 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 427
Views: 8110

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

I think you have a aversion to quantum mechanics because it postulates no need for a first cause. Even were that true, it's immaterial. The only question is whether or not what I'm saying is true, not who wants it to be true. Because the alternative is recognizing that a First Cause is inescapable,...
by Ginkgo
Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:50 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 427
Views: 8110

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

For Immanuel Can

I did a Google search for "A Universe From Nothing" and found a lecture by Lawrence Krauss on this very topic. It is as I thought, Krasuss is talking about a universe from something, not a universe from nothing.
by Ginkgo
Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:18 am
Forum: Introduce Yourself
Topic: Is God necessary for morality?
Replies: 427
Views: 8110

Re: Is God necessary for morality?

That we agree to call a "something" a "nothing," and that we imagine his theory is a sort of truth. It's just a speculation, after all, and one not even amenable to scientific testing. We could call it, at most, a very preliminary intuition, so we don't owe it much credence...at least yet. I think ...