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As stated previously I have two main problem with causal chains. Firstly, If we try to trace the process of cause and effect to find a first cause we find that it disappears into the myriad of causes and effects of unlimited interaction. If I trace that sentence, I find it disappears into a puddle ...

To say that something, especially something as odd as quantum physics, exists without causality is thus a non-sequitur. It's only possible to say that at this point we don't happen to know what causes the effects we observe, if anything does. It does not justify us asserting that the quantum level ...

For Immanuel Can. As stated previously I have two main problem with causal chains. Firstly, If we try to trace the process of cause and effect to find a first cause we find that it disappears into the myriad of causes and effects of unlimited interaction. Your idea of causal chains is too simplistic...

So you do not believe that cause-and-effect are real? Yes. I introduced my quantum concept a bit too early. I will return to that later. So, please go on with your argument. This is actually an important point. We must make it clear. Do you believe things can begin without causes? Are there things ...

Immanuel Can wrote:
So you do not believe that cause-and-effect are real?

Yes. I introduced my quantum concept a bit too early. I will return to that later. So, please go on with your argument.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:13 am

Ginkgo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:21 am I have a problem with causal chains.

Okay, then we have to pause there, because that's a premise to the mathematical argument.

Is it your supposition that things can happen for which there are no causes?

In the physical world, no. In the quantum world, yes.

So let's pause there: are you satisfied that the cosmos must necessarily have had an Uncaused Cause to start the causal chain? If you're not, then what makes you uncertain of the maths on that? Have you come to doubt that time is linear, that cause-and-effect work, or that an actual infinite regres...

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:34 pm Is God necessary for morality?

Answer is yes, for God is all knowing, and all meaning. Without which the concept morality would be a meaningless and unknown concept.

Do you have any evidence to backup these claims?

I'm not suggesting you become an Aristotelian, I was just pointing out there is a link. Well, there are some fundamental distinctions that cannot be easily overcome. For example, Aristotle's anthropological assumptions might be made to work from a Catholic anthropology; they don't work at all for P...

I'm not suggesting you become an Aristotelian, I was just pointing out there is a link. Well, there are some fundamental distinctions that cannot be easily overcome. For example, Aristotle's anthropological assumptions might be made to work from a Catholic anthropology; they don't work at all for P...

I would have thought the Cosmological argument was applicable to all Christian denominations. Of course. Aristotle was the first philosopher to formulate a Cosmological argument. Well, to think that makes us Aristotelians would be to make the genetic fallacy. We're not. So, how does an infinite reg...

I would have thought that the concept of a good God who was the creator of the universe would be applicable to both Catholic and non-Catholic. It is. But that's not what you were talking about. You were saying that all Christians are indebted to the Aristotelian tradition. They're not. Actually, th...

I would have thought that the concept of a good God who was the creator of the universe would be applicable to both Catholic and non-Catholic. It is. But that's not what you were talking about. You were saying that all Christians are indebted to the Aristotelian tradition. They're not. Actually, th...

The virtue ethics tradition from Aristotle is actually totally incompatible with the basic beliefs of most non-Catholics. But you'd have to know theology to know that's true. I would have thought that the concept of a good God who was the creator of the universe would be applicable to both Catholic...

That's Catholicism. You should ask a Catholic. It's the Catholic tradition that has an ethics link with Aristotle, though I would argue it's not a coherent or plausible tradition anyway. Virtue ethics is seriously defective. Yes, but they paved the way for later Christian thinkers, both Catholic an...