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by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 11:22 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9869
Views: 901812

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Not if your own One True Path to Enlightenment revolves around dialectical materialism. And the thing about "political economy" is that Marx and Engels insisted that their own historical assessment was...scientific? They went all the way back to nomadic, slash and burn, hunter and gathere...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 10:28 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 774
Views: 44062

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

The original expectation was that the righteous people would return to the world in a physical form. The eternal life would be here. Some sort of eternal life in"heaven" was a later addition/change. Could you present me with the passages that support that? I would like to see. Bart Erhman...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 10:15 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: What could make morality objective?
Replies: 9966
Views: 1101266

Re: What could make morality objective?

Going back to the original question of what could make morality "objective", it seems to me that it would require a level of agreement and/or evidence of it being so that would make it virtually impossible for anyone to disagree. 2+2 = 4 is probably by reasonable accounts "objectively...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 9:54 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 774
Views: 44062

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

OK. Sorry. Should I call you an "ignoramus" too? I mean, just as a joke. You won't take it badly, will you? I have an idea: call me, refer to me, exactly and precisely how you think I am. Neither less nor more. Why on Earth should I take •badly• what you truly think of me (or anyone)? I r...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 8:54 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9869
Views: 901812

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Maybe the same way I would deal with them. I would try to put as much distance between me and them as possible and if someone told me that they had murdered someone and/or had sex with an underage child, I would have to report it out of concern for public safety. Why report it if it's just an expre...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 8:35 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9869
Views: 901812

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Why do I need to take that up with Harbal? He says morality is important to him. If he thinks morality is "opinion" then at least he seems to respect some opinions of others to whatever degree. I don't think you and IC are giving Harbal fair credit by trying to tell him that he can't be m...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 8:13 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 774
Views: 44062

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

Alexis Jacobi wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 8:09 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 5:35 pm Your hubris is extraordinary. But that's between you and God, I suppose.
God must have a better sense of humor than you!

(If not my goose is cooked!)
OK. Sorry. Should I call you an "ignoramus" too? I mean, just as a joke. You won't take it badly, will you?
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 7:58 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9869
Views: 901812

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If morality is just everyone's own personal opinions, then that's just people doing whatever they want. It's no morality at all. What do you mean by "opinion"? I mean, I have "opinions" such as orange is prettier than brown. However, I don't think it's my "opinion" tha...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 7:42 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9869
Views: 901812

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If morality is just everyone's own personal opinions, then that's just people doing whatever they want. It's no morality at all. What do you mean by "opinion"? I mean, I have "opinions" such as orange is prettier than brown. However, I don't think it's my "opinion" tha...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 7:22 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9869
Views: 901812

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

When you say "subjective" morality, do you mean to say that morality is "subjective" in the sense that it is something that applies to conscious subjects and not to "objects" like rocks or conscious matter? I take it you're not saying that morality is non-existent or n...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 7:07 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9869
Views: 901812

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

Human nature is a very simple concept. All it means is that people have, in common, certain tendencies and liabilities. I'm surprised you haven't run into it before. My bad, what I was trying to convey to you is that I don't know what our "nature" is. I know what "human nature" ...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 6:29 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9869
Views: 901812

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

So what are you condemning that you like? :? But my reasons would just be a matter of my subjective opinion, so how is that objective? But it isn't an objective fact that hurting people is wrong; that is just a subjective human opinion. If you disagree, tell me where such a fact is to be found. My ...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 5:37 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9869
Views: 901812

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If humans were universally kind, we would have no need of laws or morality at all. And there would be no wars, because nobody would ever want to start one, or to continue one, once it started. We don't have to rob, rape, murder or wage war on each other. There's no necessity of any of it. And yet, ...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 5:35 pm
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue
Replies: 774
Views: 44062

Re: Christian Civilization -- The Central Issue

The Question of the Ages …. 😎 So, AJ, do you believe the God of the Bible exists, or are you agnostic? I assume you're not an atheist? The creation we are in, the manifest Kosmos, is I believe (feel, intuit, reason) the creation of (let’s say) a supreme intelligence. I accept that “reality” cannot ...
by Gary Childress
Mon May 06, 2024 3:46 pm
Forum: Ethical Theory
Topic: Is morality objective or subjective?
Replies: 9869
Views: 901812

Re: Is morality objective or subjective?

If anyone stands to benefit less through cooperation than through robbing you then it's never true that cooperation benefits everyone. Robbery also involves the risk of retribution or retaliation. It's not free. The risk is priced into the assertion of "benefit". I'm sure it is. If anyone...