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by Bernard
Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:44 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
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Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

What I am saying with this thread is that Nietzsche's central theme of the Eternal Return is a theme which didnt explain things any more than the Christianity he was escaping explained things. We still get the absurd and horrifying prospect in both: living forever. But I think he was onto something ...
by Bernard
Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:19 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
Views: 4930

Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

Will can act on anything within one's ability to will, not just upon desire: just like any observation can be made within one's purview to do so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)
by Bernard
Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:45 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
Views: 4930

Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

I mean observation is to physics is what will is to philosophy (since Zarathustra anyway)
by Bernard
Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:35 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
Views: 4930

Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

The ER is not initially willed but a pre-existing state which is then willed, this willing actually punctures the eternal return, which in turn punctures any reality of it being in actual pre-existence to begin with: it is a concatenation. Something similar happens in physics when observation occurs...
by Bernard
Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:46 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
Views: 4930

Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

Quite the contrary if QM is the interference of consiousness upon fate
by Bernard
Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:13 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
Views: 4930

Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

Quantum mechanics won't allow you to.
by Bernard
Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:58 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
Views: 4930

Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

Is there danger in that of being complicit in a slave or master morality?
by Bernard
Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:27 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
Views: 4930

Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

A fate can't be altered only if it has already occurred.
by Bernard
Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:51 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
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Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

There is also the ideological cicle which has no natural reality as it is a theoretical device or projection - a perfect circle. There is no escape from such a circle and no possibility of anything else entering it in order to change its nature. This is The ER circle that binds Zarathustra, imprison...
by Bernard
Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:17 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
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Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

Does the process of going around in a circle really change anything? ER is a very hard concept to introduce to anyone who is unfamiliar with esoteric ideas pertaining to consciousness so I can see why there is so much confusion. I don’t know if anyone here has seen the movie “Groundhog Day.” It is ...
by Bernard
Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:52 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
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Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

The metamorphosis of reality over time could be thought of as a series of seemingly "eternal returns". The same dynamics repeat over and over, always a little differently to the time before (ie. not a true "return", just as you cannot cross the same river twice). No matter what the scale, eventuall...
by Bernard
Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:48 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
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Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

IMO in order to understand the theory of ER at least intellectually, a person has to first define what a moment in time is. This isn't easy. But if time repeats in ER, then a moment must repeat. But if we don't know what a moment in time is, how can we know what a repeating moment is or the basis o...
by Bernard
Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:38 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
Views: 4930

Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

Nietzsche had tremendous will - there is no doubt - but this ultimate amour fati idea of his is the most unwilling of any of his ideas - yet he presents the ER as the central pivot of his greatest mouthpiece: Zararthustra. What would happen if we took his will and reconstructed the idea with will a...
by Bernard
Tue May 31, 2016 2:44 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
Views: 4930

Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

BTW Hi Arising. Long time no yack. Whatever happened to that nutcase that was here? Remember him? He contested someone to a duel which almost took place - from what I remember.
by Bernard
Tue May 31, 2016 2:42 am
Forum: General Philosophical Discussion
Topic: Nietzsche and the eternal return.
Replies: 45
Views: 4930

Re: Nietzsche and the eternal return.

Nietzsche had tremendous will - there is no doubt - but this ultimate amour fati idea of his is the most unwilling of any of his ideas - yet he presents the ER as the central pivot of his greatest mouthpiece: Zararthustra. What would happen if we took his will and reconstructed the idea with will as...