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- Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:38 pm
- Forum: Ethical Theory
- Topic: What could make morality objective?
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Re: What could make morality objective?
'I think X is morally wrong'. IC: So what? That's just your (subjective) opinion. 'Many of us think X is morally wrong.' IC: So what? That's just many people's (subjective) opinion. 'All of us think X is morally wrong.' IC: So what? That's just a human (subjective) opinion. IC: These opinions aren'...
- Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:43 am
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
Is lying immoral? If so, would it be immoral to lie to protect a friend, or lie to the Gestapo about where the Jews are hiding? If these lies are acceptable, doesn't that show that it is not lying ipso facto that is immoral, but some result that comes from lying? Any opinions? The moral issue is no...
- Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:27 am
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
I would say nothing at all. In that way, I do not lie. But I also do not assist the Gestapo. Now, if they were to apply something like a "truth serum," (which don't work the way fiction imagines they do), and they were to so drug me that I no longer had moral judgment, I might accidentall...
- Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:33 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
How interested in that are you? I ask because I could say quite a lot about that subject. I think there's lots of ways to get at that. One is that God Himself does not lie (Heb. 6:18). God is light, and light reveals truth (1 John 1:5). His followers are commanded to "walk in and proclaim the ...
- Sun Oct 08, 2023 8:02 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
One more point: St Paul wrote to the Corinthians that "love never faileth but whether there shall be prophesies they shall fail.... and whether there shall be knowledge it shall vanish away." A lie, if it is a sin, is a sin against knowledge (i.e. knowing the truth). But doesn't love trump...
- Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:44 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
It is. Because lying is always wrong. Silence is not. Refusal to engage with immoral persons is not. Walking away is not. But joining them in their misdeeds, whatever they may be, is. And the problem is what it makes us into. When we look for moral excuses for ourselves in the fallibility of others...
- Sun Oct 08, 2023 6:16 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
Perhaps. But really, what is that to you and I? If we have opportunity, we may wish to prevent such violations of morality. If we do not, we cannot. But either way, the thing we really have to attend to is not who THEY are being, but the persons YOU and I are being. It is to the care of our own sou...
- Sun Oct 08, 2023 4:52 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
Oh, not at all. There are quite a lot of people who advocate it, and some even consider it meritorious. The radicals who, this morning, launched a vicious attack on Israel yelling "Allahu akbar" seem to think their killings are highly virtuous. And in the West, we routinely dignify the mu...
- Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:31 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
This is off topic, but the reductionist explanations you offer seem to demonstrate the problems with reductionist. Everyone knows that liars lie. We don't need to measure brain chemistry to figure that out. The brain chemistry measurements seem scientific, but add nothing to our understanding of ps...
- Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:56 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
Although it may not be 'immoral', it may be inhumane (even barbaric) to perpetuate such a 'low level' of human potential. :) #1: Becoming desensitized -- A team of researchers at University College London and Duke University set out to find out what exactly goes on in the brain when we tell a lie. ...
- Fri Oct 06, 2023 8:24 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
There is no such thing. Want proof? One definition of "bad" is "good." https://www.dictionary.com/e/when-bad-really-means-good/. Of course, that's because "bad" has recently and colloquially been changed to mean its own opposite, as when Michael Jackson dances around, ...
- Fri Oct 06, 2023 8:15 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
There is no such thing. Want proof? One definition of "bad" is "good." https://www.dictionary.com/e/when-bad-really-means-good/. Of course, that's because "bad" has recently and colloquially been changed to mean its own opposite, as when Michael Jackson dances around, ...
- Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:18 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
...the Capitalists.... There is no such thing. You've accidentally invented an ideology to parallell "Social ism ." Nobody has an ideology of "capital": it's not an "-ism." Is lying immoral? If so, would it be immoral to lie to protect a friend, or lie to the Gestapo a...
- Fri Oct 06, 2023 5:51 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Re: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
Klondike? The Klondike is in Canada, but most of the Gold Rushers were American. I highly recommend the book about that Gold Rush by Pierre Breton. The most direct way to reach the Klondike was through Skagway, Alaska, which was a town ruled by crooks and con men. The Klondike itself was better pol...
- Fri Oct 06, 2023 5:20 pm
- Forum: Political Philosophy
- Topic: Lies, Cons,and the American Way
- Replies: 167
- Views: 25786
Lies, Cons,and the American Way
Our mythology suggests that the "American Way" is dilligence and hard work, which will be rewarded financially (and is morally admirable). This mythology is promoted by the Capitalists who fruitlessly wish that it were true. In fact, if there is an "American Way" or an "Amer...